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Viper1 said:
DaRev said:
Viper1 said:

Lazy.   I'll never get why gamers like to use this word when referring to something not implemented and they don't understand why.

It's like the fall back line for everything.

Lazy. Because it seems like a bit of a no brainer, so why add it later when it seems pefectly doable now? Kind of like the feeling peole get concerning DLC, I guess.

So you really think they just decided to sit on their asses instead of work?

Might it have something to do with the fact they already have a new Wii U VC planned so it doesn't really make sense to reprogram all the emulators twice for the Wii U?  Or to open up a potential Wii based exploit into the Wii U security when, again, a new VC for Wii U is in development that won't have a potentially exploitable Wii to Wii U bridge?

Do you realize just how many factors are involved that could explain why this feature is not yet implemented?  If you do, then why suggest it's just laziness?

The fact that they realise that it's a no brainer to have that feature and they didn't include it, but will later, doesn't speak well on Nintendo's part. That's all I'm saying. Because you do not make a console with the capabilities of the Wii U and just leave out, to add later, a very desired feature of the console.

Whatever VC they have planned for the Wii U, should have been available at launch, again, this is a no brainer, just like the system being able to use at least two Gamepads. The latter feature is built in, so why something as 'simple' a a new, reused, or even stiched-up VC for the Gamepad couldn't be included at launch is beyond me. So six months later we're all suppose to be excited that the Wii U can finally play VC games on the Gamepad?

Yes there maybe a lot of factors why they didn't impliment the feature, but I believe that none would be significant enough to justify not including the feature at launch, while hoping to release it in the near future. Maybe they are not being lazy, maybe there're just being Nintendo! And we all know what that means



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DaRev said:
Viper1 said:

So you really think they just decided to sit on their asses instead of work?

Might it have something to do with the fact they already have a new Wii U VC planned so it doesn't really make sense to reprogram all the emulators twice for the Wii U?  Or to open up a potential Wii based exploit into the Wii U security when, again, a new VC for Wii U is in development that won't have a potentially exploitable Wii to Wii U bridge?

Do you realize just how many factors are involved that could explain why this feature is not yet implemented?  If you do, then why suggest it's just laziness?

The fact that they realise that it's a no brainer to have that feature and they didn't include it, but will later, doesn't speak well on Nintendo's part. That's all I'm saying. Because you do not make a console with the capabilities of the Wii U and just leave out, to add later, a very desired feature of the console.

Whatever VC they have planned for the Wii U, should have been available at launch, again, this is a no brainer, just like the system being able to use at least two Gamepads. The latter feature is built in, so why something as 'simple' a a new, reused, or even stiched-up VC for the Gamepad couldn't be included at launch is beyond me. So six months later we're all suppose to be excited that the Wii U can finally play VC games on the Gamepad?

Yes there maybe a lot of factors why they didn't impliment the feature, but I believe that none would be significant enough to justify not including the feature at launch, while hoping to release it in the near future. Maybe they are not being lazy, maybe there're just being Nintendo! And we all know what that means

It is a desirable feature but I don't think that it was a break-it-or-make-it feature, because the mass audiences are less concerned with playing their VC games on their gamepad than we would think. Nintendo would not be thinking "Hey, what's a feature we want and why would we not include it during launch?" but they would think, "Hey, what's a feature we want, and why should we absolutely include it for launch?" And they decided many things. And other things didn't make the cut. FFS, not even Wii TVii made the cut, and that's AFTER Reggie said it would *shakes fist* On the other hand, nobody ever ever promised that VC would be playable from the screen. Nobody.

In terms of straight pay-off, it seems that more time + resources would need to go into this feature than would pay-off in the short run (having the feature ready for launch.) I don't think this feature is as easy to implement as people think it is, because it's simply different than any infrastructure that Nintendo has right now. It would require more programming, and they were probably knee deep just trying to get the most important parts of Wii U up and running. And let's be honest, this is not one of the most important possible features of Wii U, even if some of us are begging for it (myself included.)



Not sure if already mentioned.

Not a hope in hell that VC will be ported over to native WiiU so not a chance in hell will work on gamepad.

The work required to port the whole library over would be astronimical due to totally different architecture of WiiU -> Wii. It would basically mean coding everything from scratch (not the whole game) but each emulator and each profile for each emulator.

No way would they do that because there would be no return for their work.

Since Nintendo do everything rounded, bouncy and in friendly little animal ways...there's no way they will do just some, it's all or nothing otherwise it's not Nintendo.



d21lewis said:
DaRev said:
forgive my ignorance for not knowing this, but can all Virtual Console games play on either 3DS or Wii, or are they Wii specific VC games and 3DS specific VC games?


So far, if you buy a game on the Wii, it only plays on the Wii and the same goes for 3DS.  Wii has games from the Nes, Snes, N64, Turbografx-16, Genesis, Neo Geo, and a few other formats I can't think of.  3DS has titles from the GBA (ambassadors only), Gameboy, Nes, and Game Gear.  If, for example, you buy Super Mario Bros. 1 for the 3DS, you'd have to buy it again for the Wii. 


I REALLY hope SNES titles and more GBA games come to the 3DS.  The small screen is a perfect fit for that style of gaming.

They better let me play my Wii VC games on the Wii U and 3DS.  I will not buy the same VC game twice.  Thanks for putting NES VC games on the 3DS but I should be able to play them if I bought them on the Wii.   I believe Miiverse might bring this to the 3DS when it releases.  This is my main issue and I am pissed at Nintendo putting the shit up on 3DS VC shop when I know that I already bought it on the Wii (and I can't play it on 3DS without buying it again).  Check out my middle finger Nintendo because I think this is bullshit.   One shouldn't be expected to purchase multiple digital copies of the same game just to play it on home and hand held consoles.



I think the worst part of it all is that you can't use the Pro Controller. Pretty shite.



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oniyide said:
Viper1 said:
DaRev said:

wow, gone are the days when you bought a console and it worked for life. No need for software updates or anything, and certainly no RROD issues.

If I was to chose one, I would say Nintendo is being lazy in not including the VC feature for the GP. Because I don't think getting that done is rocket science.

Lazy.   I'll never get why gamers like to use this word when referring to something not implemented and they don't understand why.

It's like the fall back line for everything.

I think for some when they see a feature not being ready out the box, although the feature has been on another console for years...they kinda come to that conclusion not saying they are right.

I honestly don't see this as a big deal.  I mean, it could be argued that the Wii was a Gamecube with some added features.  It had flawless BC but that's kind of rare outside of a portable console.  My 360 NEVER got 100% backwards compatibility.  The PS3 lost backwards compatibility and still never got it back.  Even my Vita has PS1 and PSP games that I own and am still waiting for the ability to play.  The Wii U will have BC and we're pissed that we can't use it on the controller?  Instead of being grateful we have the ability at all to play our Wii games and use our Wii accessories (PS2 controllers and Xbox 1 controllers didn't work on the current gen consoles), we're pissed that we don't get additional functionality.

Such is the gamer and their sense of entitlement.

(and I see that you are saying "for some" and not yourself.  I'm not coming at you in particular.)



d21lewis said:
oniyide said:
Viper1 said:
DaRev said:

wow, gone are the days when you bought a console and it worked for life. No need for software updates or anything, and certainly no RROD issues.

If I was to chose one, I would say Nintendo is being lazy in not including the VC feature for the GP. Because I don't think getting that done is rocket science.

Lazy.   I'll never get why gamers like to use this word when referring to something not implemented and they don't understand why.

It's like the fall back line for everything.

I think for some when they see a feature not being ready out the box, although the feature has been on another console for years...they kinda come to that conclusion not saying they are right.

I honestly don't see this as a big deal.  I mean, it could be argued that the Wii was a Gamecube with some added features.  It had flawless BC but that's kind of rare outside of a portable console.  My 360 NEVER got 100% backwards compatibility.  The PS3 lost backwards compatibility and still never got it back.  Even my Vita has PS1 and PSP games that I own and am still waiting for the ability to play.  The Wii U will have BC and we're pissed that we can't use it on the controller?  Instead of being grateful we have the ability at all to play our Wii games and use our Wii accessories (PS2 controllers and Xbox 1 controllers didn't work on the current gen consoles), we're pissed that we don't get additional functionality.

Such is the gamer and their sense of entitlement.

(and I see that you are saying "for some" and not yourself.  I'm not coming at you in particular.)

um...no one is talking about BC, this is simply about VC. it seems people are pissed that 1 their wont be any VC day one, which imho is a reason to be worried. I said as much about Vita as well and two you cant play those games on the WIi U pad which is something people were kinda expecting. the 2nd point is a little iffy, because i dont recall Ninty ever saying it would have that feature but on the other hand, why wouldnt it when Sony did it years ago with remote play.  Personally i dont care because Wii VC turned to crap anyway, so if Ninty needs more time to ensure that doesnt happen again, then take it.



oniyide said:
d21lewis said:
oniyide said:
Viper1 said:
DaRev said:

wow, gone are the days when you bought a console and it worked for life. No need for software updates or anything, and certainly no RROD issues.

If I was to chose one, I would say Nintendo is being lazy in not including the VC feature for the GP. Because I don't think getting that done is rocket science.

Lazy.   I'll never get why gamers like to use this word when referring to something not implemented and they don't understand why.

It's like the fall back line for everything.

I think for some when they see a feature not being ready out the box, although the feature has been on another console for years...they kinda come to that conclusion not saying they are right.

I honestly don't see this as a big deal.  I mean, it could be argued that the Wii was a Gamecube with some added features.  It had flawless BC but that's kind of rare outside of a portable console.  My 360 NEVER got 100% backwards compatibility.  The PS3 lost backwards compatibility and still never got it back.  Even my Vita has PS1 and PSP games that I own and am still waiting for the ability to play.  The Wii U will have BC and we're pissed that we can't use it on the controller?  Instead of being grateful we have the ability at all to play our Wii games and use our Wii accessories (PS2 controllers and Xbox 1 controllers didn't work on the current gen consoles), we're pissed that we don't get additional functionality.

Such is the gamer and their sense of entitlement.

(and I see that you are saying "for some" and not yourself.  I'm not coming at you in particular.)

um...no one is talking about BC, this is simply about VC. it seems people are pissed that 1 their wont be any VC day one, which imho is a reason to be worried. I said as much about Vita as well and two you cant play those games on the WIi U pad which is something people were kinda expecting. the 2nd point is a little iffy, because i dont recall Ninty ever saying it would have that feature but on the other hand, why wouldnt it when Sony did it years ago with remote play.  Personally i dont care because Wii VC turned to crap anyway, so if Ninty needs more time to ensure that doesnt happen again, then take it.

That's what happens when I take a nap and then return to a thread.  I lose focus.  But even if there is no VC on day one, we can port our current VC to the Wii U, right?  I've got quite a few titles and I think I read somewhere that our data will be transferred but both consoles have to be online at once.


Remote play only worked with PS1 games and it was laggy as heck on the PSP--even when you were in the same room with the console.  Even the Vita doesn't do it properly but there is noticeably less lag.



d21lewis said:
oniyide said:
d21lewis said:
oniyide said:
Viper1 said:
DaRev said:

wow, gone are the days when you bought a console and it worked for life. No need for software updates or anything, and certainly no RROD issues.

If I was to chose one, I would say Nintendo is being lazy in not including the VC feature for the GP. Because I don't think getting that done is rocket science.

Lazy.   I'll never get why gamers like to use this word when referring to something not implemented and they don't understand why.

It's like the fall back line for everything.

I think for some when they see a feature not being ready out the box, although the feature has been on another console for years...they kinda come to that conclusion not saying they are right.

I honestly don't see this as a big deal.  I mean, it could be argued that the Wii was a Gamecube with some added features.  It had flawless BC but that's kind of rare outside of a portable console.  My 360 NEVER got 100% backwards compatibility.  The PS3 lost backwards compatibility and still never got it back.  Even my Vita has PS1 and PSP games that I own and am still waiting for the ability to play.  The Wii U will have BC and we're pissed that we can't use it on the controller?  Instead of being grateful we have the ability at all to play our Wii games and use our Wii accessories (PS2 controllers and Xbox 1 controllers didn't work on the current gen consoles), we're pissed that we don't get additional functionality.

Such is the gamer and their sense of entitlement.

(and I see that you are saying "for some" and not yourself.  I'm not coming at you in particular.)

um...no one is talking about BC, this is simply about VC. it seems people are pissed that 1 their wont be any VC day one, which imho is a reason to be worried. I said as much about Vita as well and two you cant play those games on the WIi U pad which is something people were kinda expecting. the 2nd point is a little iffy, because i dont recall Ninty ever saying it would have that feature but on the other hand, why wouldnt it when Sony did it years ago with remote play.  Personally i dont care because Wii VC turned to crap anyway, so if Ninty needs more time to ensure that doesnt happen again, then take it.

That's what happens when I take a nap and then return to a thread.  I lose focus.  But even if there is no VC on day one, we can port our current VC to the Wii U, right?  I've got quite a few titles and I think I read somewhere that our data will be transferred but both consoles have to be online at once.


Remote play only worked with PS1 games and it was laggy as heck on the PSP--even when you were in the same room with the console.  Even the Vita doesn't do it properly but there is noticeably less lag.

I have no idea, but i kinda doubt you can transfer at this point, it seems to be an issue with emulation across the board. But i could be wrong, i hope i am.

Never really had an issue with remote play, but i never used it that much to be honest. 



So no one else is pissed that they release the same VC games on Wii and 3DS but you have to purchase both? Okay...