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kopstudent89 said:
 

Over 100 civilian deaths in Gaza. Sorry but this is ridiculous. They've sieged Gaza - a lot of people who have nothing to do with Hamas - and bombarded them constantly aiming at families who have no relation to Hamas. Israel is a true monster, and time will show their true colours.


your number of civilian deaths is incorrect, but irrelevant(it exceeds even the claims of the gaza health ministry).   because who has killed those people?  is it hamas randomly executing civilian "spies" in the street to bolster morale?  is it from secondary explosions where hamas hide weapons(these are the terrorist explosives detonating, the israeli missiles are low powered because they only need a spark)?  the over than 150 rockets they fired and landed on the heads of their own people?  

just consider those 150 rockets landing haphazardly in gaza for a moment.   there is a million and a half people on land the size of a cracker.   where do you think they landed?  they have no control over these.  i would even go so far as to wager most or a good portion of the deaths are derived from this

 

israel doesnt target civilians.   if they did, the casualties would number far greater.   its clear israel takes care not to target civilians and even goes so far as to warn people to leave areas.



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We are supposed to live in a world of cultural and religious acceptance. The Middle East crisis just tells me that something is wrong at the heart of Islam.....and governments wont say anything.

They won't say anything because

1. Those countires have oil so we gotta play nice so they can sell it to us.
2. They have muslims living in their own country and must be diplomatic.
3. Fear of their volatile tempers and violent tendencies (such as the muslim video outcry).



MrBubbles said:
kopstudent89 said:
 

Over 100 civilian deaths in Gaza. Sorry but this is ridiculous. They've sieged Gaza - a lot of people who have nothing to do with Hamas - and bombarded them constantly aiming at families who have no relation to Hamas. Israel is a true monster, and time will show their true colours.


your number of civilian deaths is incorrect, but irrelevant.   because who has killed those people?  is it hamas randomly executing civilian "spies" in the street to bolster morale?  is it from secondary explosions where hamas hide weapons?  the over than 150 rockets they fired and landed on the heads of their own people?  

just consider those 150 rockets landing in gaza for a moment.   there is a million and a half people on land the size of a cracker.   where do you think they landed?

 

israel doesnt target civilians.   if they did, the casualties would number far greater.   its clear israel takes care not to target civilians and even goes so far as to warn people to leave areas.


Honestly it's plain to see what's happening. There is no balanced fight here, Gaza has been sieged since 2005. That in itself shows how Israel can break a bazillion international laws, can make thousands suffer whilst the main story that the media play is the few rockets entering Israel where 3 civilians (if that number has been exceeded then pardon me) have been dead. The civilian toll in Gaza on the other hand is way more than 100. It should be around 200 today. Anyways I won't argue further, if you've been blinded by the Western media then I won't bother really.





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Btw small trailer of tears of Gaza:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdAYgTpUUdE



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MrBubbles said:

this was a childs room in israel:

where are your outcries of hamas targeting children?

 

 


I would post pictures of at least half a dozen Palestinian children either mutilated or burnt to a crisp to counter this, but I try to avoid looking like a propagandist.



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kopstudent89 said:
MrBubbles said:
kopstudent89 said:
 

Over 100 civilian deaths in Gaza. Sorry but this is ridiculous. They've sieged Gaza - a lot of people who have nothing to do with Hamas - and bombarded them constantly aiming at families who have no relation to Hamas. Israel is a true monster, and time will show their true colours.


your number of civilian deaths is incorrect, but irrelevant.   because who has killed those people?  is it hamas randomly executing civilian "spies" in the street to bolster morale?  is it from secondary explosions where hamas hide weapons?  the over than 150 rockets they fired and landed on the heads of their own people?  

just consider those 150 rockets landing in gaza for a moment.   there is a million and a half people on land the size of a cracker.   where do you think they landed?

 

israel doesnt target civilians.   if they did, the casualties would number far greater.   its clear israel takes care not to target civilians and even goes so far as to warn people to leave areas.


Honestly it's plain to see what's happening. There is no balanced fight here, Gaza has been sieged since 2005. That in itself shows how Israel can break a bazillion international laws, can make thousands suffer whilst the main story that the media play is the few rockets entering Israel where 3 civilians (if that number has been exceeded then pardon me) have been dead. The civilian toll in Gaza on the other hand is way more than 100. It should be around 200 today. Anyways I won't argue further, if you've been blinded by the Western media then I won't bother really.


the total deaths are around 140, with the highest estimates of civilians are around half of that.  the blockade on gaza has been there since the election of hamas (a group thats charter says they want to kill the jews).  (who arent an elected government now even if they were elected at one point.  you cant murder everyone who you dont agree with and get to claim to represent democracy.)

the Iron dome has stopped hundreds of rockets that were destined for populated areas.  their ability to limit the damage of hamas does nothing to lessen their desire or actions attempting to murder civilians. 

 

its good that you wont argue further.   because you have been demolished by logic and facts, while repeating empty rhetoric.    it shakes the foundation of your dreamworld.



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hatmoza said:
 


I would post pictures of at least half a dozen Palestinian children either mutilated or burnt to a crisp to counter this, but I try to avoid looking like a propagandist.


more than likely murdered by hamas due to their rockets or storing munitions in residential areas.   why dont you just consider the 150 unguided rockets landing in gaza as well.  just think about it for a moment...and tell me how many you think killed people.



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MrBubbles said:
hatmoza said:


I would post pictures of at least half a dozen Palestinian children either mutilated or burnt to a crisp to counter this, but I try to avoid looking like a propagandist.


more than likely murdered by hamas due to their rockets or storing munitions in residential areas. 

That's interesting. Proof of that nonsense?



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hatmoza said:
MrBubbles said:
hatmoza said:


I would post pictures of at least half a dozen Palestinian children either mutilated or burnt to a crisp to counter this, but I try to avoid looking like a propagandist.


more than likely murdered by hamas due to their rockets or storing munitions in residential areas. 

That's interesting. Proof of that nonsense?

proof that these happen?  or proof that those people died that way?

can you prove it was israeli strikes?   i added a line to my previous post afterwards.  i would like you to consider it. 



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