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mai said:

MrBubbles said:

i think you know what i mean, my dear very anti us russian friend lol :)  which limits what asian conflicts you are likely to draw from for it especially in the context of the thread.

there is obviously an event to go along with it, but its not a picture i recall off the top of my head.   i guess i could go into it more, but i gather your point is simply the US isnt perfect?    which i mean...of course it isnt... im sure the picture of that guy's work  in afghanistan not too long ago murdering that couple dozen people and burning the bodies wouldnt be pretty either, but its not an actual part of their operations. (i reverse imaged searched it and its definitely problematic event but still the actions of a small group).  if we were going to bash the US i would rather use the waterboarding thing because its torture and they executed people for doing it to their soldiers.    things cant unbecome torture and all (even if in terms of torture its not as bad as it could be)....which was authorised at the highest level and that person should be at the ICC for it....

Anti-US? O_o That's new. You just having grudge against me for whatever I did to you. Don't be, if I was mean, I'm sorry :D

It's My Lai, just a tip of the iceberg of your atrocities in Veitnam. They don't teach you that in school? Shame.

My points are:
- Posting pictures in attempt to get emotional reactions instead of arguments is wrong.
- Atrocities do happen more or less often  regardless, especially in war conflicts. But the essential difference between, say, you, despite how common said atrocities might be (like in Vietnam), how desperately an army command is trying to conceal these facts, how laughable court decisions in regard to people who committed war crimes could be etc., and Nazis or Brits - is the latter ones did happen to put into practice a policy of purposeful genocide and other various mistreatment, which were planned and approved by high-ranked authorities (well, more or less, there're some questionable decisions I could think of, like bombings of certain German cities and nuclear bombings of Japan during WW2).

//Though honestly all of you, imperialists, do have one thing in common throughout the history - so called white man guilt - and in all seriosness I find it strange to discuss things like who killed less untermenschen, as if it makes the winner of such a contest morally superior.


ah...i see the problem here.  i am not from the United States.



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mai said:

MrBubbles said:

i think you know what i mean, my dear very anti us russian friend lol :)  which limits what asian conflicts you are likely to draw from for it especially in the context of the thread.

there is obviously an event to go along with it, but its not a picture i recall off the top of my head.   i guess i could go into it more, but i gather your point is simply the US isnt perfect?    which i mean...of course it isnt... im sure the picture of that guy's work  in afghanistan not too long ago murdering that couple dozen people and burning the bodies wouldnt be pretty either, but its not an actual part of their operations. (i reverse imaged searched it and its definitely problematic event but still the actions of a small group).  if we were going to bash the US i would rather use the waterboarding thing because its torture and they executed people for doing it to their soldiers.    things cant unbecome torture and all (even if in terms of torture its not as bad as it could be)....which was authorised at the highest level and that person should be at the ICC for it....

Anti-US? O_o That's new. You just having grudge against me for whatever I did to you. Don't be, if I was mean, I'm sorry :D

It's My Lai, just a tip of the iceberg of your atrocities in Veitnam. They don't teach you that in school? Shame.

My points are:
- Posting pictures in attempt to get emotional reactions instead of arguments is wrong.
- Atrocities do happen more or less often  regardless, especially in war conflicts. But the essential difference between, say, you, despite how common said atrocities might be (like in Vietnam), how desperately an army command is trying to conceal these facts, how laughable court decisions in regard to people who committed war crimes could be etc., and Nazis or Brits - is the latter ones did happen to put into practice a policy of purposeful genocide and other various mistreatment, which were planned and approved by high-ranked authorities (well, more or less, there're some questionable decisions I could think of, like bombings of certain German cities and nuclear bombings of Japan during WW2).

//Though honestly all of you, imperialists, do have one thing in common throughout the history - so called white man guilt - and in all seriosness I find it strange to discuss things like who killed less untermenschen, as if it makes the winner of such a contest morally superior.

You should not bring up the nuclear bombings of Japan, since they saved more lives then they killed.



Griffin said:

You should not bring up the nuclear bombings of Japan, since they saved more lives then they killed.

Thank you, I'm perfectly aware of what official historiography thinks about it, and consider this a typical "common place" that everybody think it is, while it's not (e.g. Napoleon was short). I beleive if not due to the nuclear deterrence there could have been other nuclear bombings, which would be postfactum and hypocritically explained somehow as a good thing. Anyway the subject was discussed already here, on VGC.

@MrBubbles, who would have thought? Well, that was my assumption. Probably, Canadian, as if it makes a lot of difference for me :D



mai said:

Griffin said:

You should not bring up the nuclear bombings of Japan, since they saved more lives then they killed.

Thank you, I'm perfectly aware of what official historiography thinks about it, and consider this a typical "common place" that everybody think it is, while it's not (e.g. Napoleon was short). I beleive if not due to the nuclear deterrence there could have been other nuclear bombings, which would be postfactum and hypocritically explained somehow as a good thing. Anyway the subject was discussed already here, on VGC.

@MrBubbles, who would have thought? Well, that was my assumption. Probably, Canadian, as if it makes a lot of difference for me :D


oh?  you find those countries very similar?

 

i take issue with people and the comparisons to the nazis for such matters because it demonstrates a gross ignorance of the events that took place then and are taking place now.  i dont think those sorts of things are events that should be forgotten and ignored.   they should be seen and they should be known.   people should feel something when they see those photos.   they should recognize it is not the same and they should work against thoughts that lead to people being treated like that.   

even if the events are also quite different than the massacre you brought up (which is a massacre for any of you other people reading who were misusing that word) it is the same thoughts that caused it.  

gaza isnt a concentration camp, the israelis are not committing massacres, and no genocide taking place.  there is no holocaust of palestinians.   how can you even have a reasonable discussion with someone making those points ?   they lack very basic understanding.    that is why i posted the photos. 



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Birimbau said:

Just throw an H-bomb there to wipe everything and then, rebuild everything from 0.


So your proposing the American government commit genocide? 



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another senior hamas military commander has been killed

 

last i read was like 25 dead 11 civilians 5 of whom are children (source is gaza health officials)



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someone should occupy Israel and treat them how they treat the Palestinians, then let's see if the world complains so much about the odd crude rocket thrown out in self defence by them...

this won't happen though as the Zionists (Nazi 2.0's) won't allow it.



MrBubbles said:
Icy-Zone said:
MrBubbles said:
Icy-Zone said:
MrBubbles said:
Icy-Zone said:
The Israelis are bullying the Arabs, and are given sympathy by the West, because they claim that Jewish people occupied that land from ancient times. Why else would they be granted land in that specific region of the world, right?

But why did the West support, so adamantly, the creation of Israel, which divided an already established nation right down the middle? We all know that America would never create a nation inside it's borders for all the Native Americans, that divided America's East from West. There has to be a motive behind all of this that isn't transparent for us to see.

It's really sad to people getting upset over other people's comments, only because they were not "politically correct." With that said, let me say this: I believe that America and Israel are worse than the Nazis. Not only have they committed some of the most heinous global atrocities in this age (many mimicking how the Nazis treated the Jews), but they've also done it sneakily, and are very underhanded. At least the Nazis were up front about their crimes.

cry to me some more about how the obese gazans dont get to eat 20 cheeseburgers at ever meal you degenerate slimeball, then crawl back to whatever cesspit you crawled from.

 


Are you Israeli by any chance? Normally I wouldn't ask this type of question, but you just really went after me with what's highlighted above!

sadly we seem to share the same country.   i say its sad because somehow you made it through our education system (or did you?)  and still remained an incompetent bumbling fool.   your ignorance in making the comments you did is near incomprehensible.    I am not jewish either, if that is going to be your next question.   a great many people from all walks of life suffered unspeakable horrors at the hands of the nazis, your comments quite literally cause me to feel physically ill. 

 

 


I'm sure the Afghanis, Iraqis, and Palestenians can say the same about America and Israel.

If this is too much for you to hear, and is causing you to feel physically ill and emotional, maybe you shouldn't involve yourself in these types of discussions. No need to attack others with your insults either, you're making yourself look like a complete joke.


did you even look at the pictures i posted? and you still want to call them nazis?  

 

well in that case i apologize.  i did not realize you were mentally deficient when i first spoke so harshly to you.  i would never treat someone like you in such a way. 


Again, you resort to insults during a discussion. If you don't agree with someone's views, that's about the most childish way to show so. And those pictures, I think, I've a thousand times before. No need to keep recycling them in order to reinforce your emotionally fuelled arguements. They simply do NOT work.



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NobleTeam360 said:
Birimbau said:

Just throw an H-bomb there to wipe everything and then, rebuild everything from 0.


So your proposing the American government commit genocide? 


they've done it before, heck your country is founded upon genocide, then of course we had Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

Israel has commited genocide since the 1940's against the Arab's and Palestinians who dared to live in the region the Zionists decided belongs to them, unlike the Nazis though, the USA backed the Israeli genocide(s) and has prevented them from being brought to justice for all this time, despite 65 UN resolutions against them for it.



Icy-Zone said:
MrBubbles said:
Icy-Zone said:
MrBubbles said:
Icy-Zone said:
MrBubbles said:
Icy-Zone said:
The Israelis are bullying the Arabs, and are given sympathy by the West, because they claim that Jewish people occupied that land from ancient times. Why else would they be granted land in that specific region of the world, right?

But why did the West support, so adamantly, the creation of Israel, which divided an already established nation right down the middle? We all know that America would never create a nation inside it's borders for all the Native Americans, that divided America's East from West. There has to be a motive behind all of this that isn't transparent for us to see.

It's really sad to people getting upset over other people's comments, only because they were not "politically correct." With that said, let me say this: I believe that America and Israel are worse than the Nazis. Not only have they committed some of the most heinous global atrocities in this age (many mimicking how the Nazis treated the Jews), but they've also done it sneakily, and are very underhanded. At least the Nazis were up front about their crimes.

cry to me some more about how the obese gazans dont get to eat 20 cheeseburgers at ever meal you degenerate slimeball, then crawl back to whatever cesspit you crawled from.

 


Are you Israeli by any chance? Normally I wouldn't ask this type of question, but you just really went after me with what's highlighted above!

sadly we seem to share the same country.   i say its sad because somehow you made it through our education system (or did you?)  and still remained an incompetent bumbling fool.   your ignorance in making the comments you did is near incomprehensible.    I am not jewish either, if that is going to be your next question.   a great many people from all walks of life suffered unspeakable horrors at the hands of the nazis, your comments quite literally cause me to feel physically ill. 

 

 


I'm sure the Afghanis, Iraqis, and Palestenians can say the same about America and Israel.

If this is too much for you to hear, and is causing you to feel physically ill and emotional, maybe you shouldn't involve yourself in these types of discussions. No need to attack others with your insults either, you're making yourself look like a complete joke.


did you even look at the pictures i posted? and you still want to call them nazis?  

 

well in that case i apologize.  i did not realize you were mentally deficient when i first spoke so harshly to you.  i would never treat someone like you in such a way. 


Again, you resort to insults during a discussion. If you don't agree with someone's views, that's about the most childish way to show so. And those pictures, I think, I've a thousand times before. No need to keep recycling them in order to reinforce your emotionally fuelled arguements. They simply do NOT work.

I read his awful and disgusting posts toward you and have reported him to the sites moderators his posts aren't to debate but just to be incredibly insulting so I assume the moderators will take appropriate action against him now they are aware of his actions.