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The good thing about new generations is that we don't necessarily need established franchises. We are open to new ideas. Look at the Xbox 360. People never heard of Gears of War, Dead Rising, Saints Row, or Lost Planet but, because these games were showcasing graphics and features that really got gamers excited, the games sold really well and sold a lot of hardware, too.

All Sony needs is a game that gets people excited about the potential of the new hardware and they'll be fine. Two or three breakout titles like Uncharted (which was also an unknown entity when the PS3 launched) and we'll have another hit console on our hands.

Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Motor Storm--all were unknown titles at the start of the PS3's life that managed to garner hype for the console. Some of them went on to become big franchises and others didn't but, at a console's launch, people are hungry and those types of games are quite satisfying.



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Uncharted, that series is on the rise, it could actually be sony's halo "in terms of popularity"

Anyways if sony wants to win the next generation they will need
Gran turismo 6 for europe
Uncharted for america
Final Fantasy for japan :P



Not really, Sony would need to rely on several of their biggest exclusives rather than a single one.



Looking at the million selling games for each manufacturer over the last generation ...

Sony (Total of all Sony games 107.54 Million ) http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=1535&platform=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1 Gran Turismo 5 PS3 2010 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 1.95 3.94 0.77 1.47 8.13
2 Uncharted 2: Among Thieves PS3 2009 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 2.78 1.92 0.21 0.89 5.79
3 LittleBigPlanet PS3 2008 Platform Sony Computer Entertainment 2.51 1.58 0.17 0.76 5.01
4 Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception PS3 2011 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 1.83 2.01 0.19 0.82 4.86
5 God of War III PS3 2010 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 2.65 1.14 0.12 0.57 4.47
6 Uncharted: Drake's Fortune PS3 2007 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 1.91 1.56 0.12 0.69 4.28
7 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue PS3 2007 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 1.24 1.78 0.57 0.51 4.11
8 Resistance: Fall of Man PS3 2006 Shooter Sony Computer Entertainment 1.56 1.66 0.14 0.71 4.08
9 MotorStorm PS3 2006 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 1.49 1.55 0.06 0.65 3.75
10 Sports Champions PS3 2010 Sports Sony Computer Entertainment 1.90 0.94 0.10 0.46 3.40
11 Killzone 2 PS3 2009 Shooter Sony Computer Entertainment 1.35 0.99 0.08 0.45 2.87
12 LittleBigPlanet 2 PS3 2011 Platform Sony Computer Entertainment 1.48 0.79 0.06 0.39 2.71
13 God of War Collection PS3 2009 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 1.63 0.35 0.06 0.48 2.51
14 Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction PS3 2007 Platform Sony Computer Entertainment 0.87 1.02 0.08 0.42 2.40
15 Killzone 3 PS3 2011 Shooter Sony Computer Entertainment 1.23 0.71 0.09 0.34 2.36
16 Resistance 2 PS3 2008 Shooter Sony Computer Entertainment 1.10 0.78 0.10 0.36 2.34
17 inFAMOUS PS3 2009 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 1.28 0.59 0.12 0.30 2.29
18 Heavy Rain PS3 2010 Adventure Sony Computer Entertainment 0.97 0.85 0.06 0.35 2.22
19 Demon's Souls PS3 2009 Role-Playing Atlus 0.85 0.29 0.34 0.17 1.66
20 Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time PS3 2009 Platform Sony Computer Entertainment 0.96 0.44 0.03 0.23 1.66
21 Heavenly Sword PS3 2007 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.55 0.68 0.06 0.28 1.57
22 inFAMOUS 2 PS3 2011 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.69 0.35 0.08 0.17 1.28
23 MAG: Massive Action Game PS3 2010 Shooter Sony Computer Entertainment 0.73 0.27 0.09 0.16 1.25
24 MotorStorm: Pacific Rift PS3 2008 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 0.39 0.59 0.02 0.23 1.23
25 Resistance 3 PS3 2011 Shooter Sony Computer Entertainment 0.51 0.46 0.05 0.20 1.22
26 SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation PS3 2008 Shooter Sony Computer Entertainment 0.90 0.14 0.02 0.12 1.18
27 Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds PS3 2007 Sports Sony Computer Entertainment 0.29 0.01 0.75 0.03 1.08
28 Warhawk PS3 2007 Simulation Sony Computer Entertainment 0.46 0.38 0.00 0.17 1.01

 

Microsoft (Total of all Microsoft games 136.47 Million) http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=10313&platform=X360&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1 Kinect Adventures! X360 2010 Misc Microsoft Game Studios 11.36 4.00 0.23 1.59 17.18
2 Halo 3 X360 2007 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 7.64 2.69 0.13 1.17 11.63
3 Halo: Reach X360 2010 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 6.58 1.76 0.08 0.83 9.25
4 Gears of War 2 X360 2008 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 4.00 1.86 0.06 0.64 6.55
5 Halo 3: ODST X360 2009 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 4.16 1.28 0.06 0.60 6.09
6 Gears of War X360 2006 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 3.48 1.83 0.07 0.59 5.97
7 Gears of War 3 X360 2011 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 3.59 1.44 0.07 0.53 5.63
8 Forza Motorsport 3 X360 2009 Racing Microsoft Game Studios 2.71 1.82 0.10 0.51 5.14
9 Fable III X360 2010 Role-Playing Microsoft Game Studios 3.40 0.97 0.05 0.44 4.86
10 Kinect Sports X360 2010 Sports Microsoft Game Studios 2.70 1.39 0.03 0.45 4.56
11 Fable II X360 2008 Role-Playing Microsoft Game Studios 2.43 1.14 0.11 0.40 4.08
12 Forza Motorsport 2 X360 2007 Racing Microsoft Game Studios 2.31 1.24 0.03 0.40 3.99
13 Halo 4 X360 2012 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 2.64 0.78 0.04 0.34 3.80
14 Borderlands X360 2009 Shooter Take-Two Interactive 2.08 0.64 0.03 0.28 3.02
15 Mass Effect 2 X360 2010 Role-Playing Electronic Arts 1.89 0.74 0.03 0.28 2.93
16 Dance Central X360 2010 Misc MTV Games 1.88 0.72 0.01 0.27 2.88
17 Mass Effect X360 2007 Role-Playing Microsoft Game Studios 1.71 0.71 0.03 0.26 2.71
18 Forza Motorsport 4 X360 2011 Racing Microsoft Game Studios 0.79 1.41 0.04 0.29 2.54
19 Halo Wars X360 2009 Strategy Microsoft Game Studios 1.22 0.73 0.04 0.21 2.20
20 Kinect Sports: Season Two X360 2011 Sports Microsoft Game Studios 1.23 0.62 0.02 0.20 2.08
21 Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary X360 2011 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 1.19 0.60 0.04 0.19 2.01
22 PGR4 - Project Gotham Racing 4 X360 2007 Racing Microsoft Game Studios 0.45 1.24 0.02 0.25 1.96
23 Dance Central 2 X360 2011 Misc Microsoft Game Studios 1.29 0.32 0.01 0.16 1.79
24 Crackdown X360 2007 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 0.97 0.51 0.03 0.17 1.68
25 Viva Pinata X360 2006 Simulation Microsoft Game Studios 0.43 0.92 0.02 0.19 1.56
26 Kinectimals X360 2010 Simulation Microsoft Game Studios 0.79 0.36 0.00 0.12 1.28
27 Kinect Joy Ride X360 2010 Racing Microsoft Game Studios 0.76 0.33 0.00 0.12 1.20
28 Alan Wake X360 2010 Action Microsoft Game Studios 0.60 0.42 0.05 0.12 1.18
29 Crackdown 2 X360 2010 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 0.59 0.32 0.02 0.10 1.03

 

Nintendo (Total of all Nintendo games 378.64 Million) http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=1167&platform=Wii&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1 Wii Sports Wii 2006 Sports Nintendo 39.32 28.11 3.77 8.41 79.60
2 Mario Kart Wii Wii 2008 Racing Nintendo 13.88 12.03 3.57 3.13 32.61
3 Wii Sports Resort Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 13.73 10.41 3.09 2.91 30.13
4 Wii Play Wii 2006 Misc Nintendo 13.77 9.09 2.93 2.83 28.62
5 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Wii 2009 Platform Nintendo 12.88 6.30 4.59 2.19 25.96
6 Wii Fit Wii 2007 Sports Nintendo 8.91 8.14 3.60 2.08 22.73
7 Wii Fit Plus Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 8.67 7.82 2.52 1.83 20.83
8 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wii 2008 Fighting Nintendo 5.69 2.25 2.42 0.91 11.27
9 Super Mario Galaxy Wii 2007 Platform Nintendo 5.37 3.09 1.20 0.68 10.35
10 Mario Party 8 Wii 2007 Misc Nintendo 3.68 1.93 1.58 0.68 7.87
11 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Wii 2007 Sports Sega 2.55 3.75 0.66 0.89 7.86
12 Wii Party Wii 2010 Misc Nintendo 1.61 3.17 2.43 0.65 7.85
13 Super Mario Galaxy 2 Wii 2010 Platform Nintendo 3.30 1.99 0.98 0.60 6.87
14 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Wii 2006 Adventure Nintendo 3.46 1.91 0.60 0.64 6.61
15 Donkey Kong Country Returns Wii 2010 Platform Nintendo 2.68 1.51 1.03 0.47 5.68
16 Link's Crossbow Training Wii 2007 Shooter Nintendo 3.03 1.17 0.29 0.47 4.96
17 Animal Crossing: City Folk Wii 2008 Simulation Nintendo 1.76 0.98 1.32 0.34 4.40
18 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games Wii 2009 Sports Sega 1.78 1.82 0.22 0.47 4.29
19 Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree Wii 2007 Misc Nintendo 1.03 1.86 0.41 0.42 3.72
20 The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword Wii 2011 Adventure Nintendo 1.73 1.05 0.36 0.31 3.46
21 Super Paper Mario Wii 2007 Platform Nintendo 1.71 0.78 0.59 0.29 3.37
22 Wii Music Wii 2008 Misc Nintendo 1.32 1.08 0.46 0.31 3.18
23 WarioWare: Smooth Moves Wii 2006 Puzzle Nintendo 0.84 1.01 0.73 0.25 2.83
24 Disney Epic Mickey Wii 2010 Platform Disney Interactive Studios 1.78 0.55 0.11 0.24 2.68
25 Super Mario All-Stars: Limited Edition Wii 2010 Platform Nintendo 0.97 0.50 0.92 0.16 2.55
26 Mario Strikers Charged Wii 2007 Sports Nintendo 1.00 0.99 0.24 0.23 2.47
27 Monster Hunter Tri Wii 2009 Role-Playing Nintendo 0.56 0.35 1.05 0.10 2.07
28 Mario Sports Mix Wii 2010 Sports Nintendo 0.83 0.40 0.63 0.13 2.00
29 Mario Party 9 Wii 2012 Misc Nintendo 0.61 0.57 0.58 0.14 1.91
30 Mario Super Sluggers Wii 2008 Sports Nintendo 1.34 0.00 0.29 0.12 1.75
31 GoldenEye 007 (2010) Wii 2010 Shooter Activision 0.79 0.62 0.13 0.17 1.70
32 Kirby's Epic Yarn Wii 2010 Platform Nintendo 0.91 0.23 0.45 0.11 1.69
33 Metroid Prime 3: Corruption Wii 2007 Shooter Nintendo 0.86 0.54 0.07 0.16 1.63
34 Pokémon Battle Revolution Wii 2006 Role-Playing Nintendo 0.77 0.32 0.30 0.12 1.51
35 New Play Control! Mario Power Tennis Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 0.31 0.70 0.28 0.14 1.44
36 Kirby's Return to Dreamland Wii 2011 Platform Nintendo 0.48 0.16 0.70 0.07 1.41
37 PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure Wii 2009 Adventure Nintendo 0.50 0.19 0.42 0.07 1.17
38 Metroid: Other M Wii 2010 Action Nintendo 0.74 0.19 0.13 0.09 1.15
39 Wario Land: Shake It! Wii 2008 Platform Nintendo 0.56 0.29 0.15 0.10 1.10
40 Endless Ocean Wii 2007 Adventure Nintendo 0.41 0.43 0.09 0.09 1.01


Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games  >  Gears of War 2 > Uncharted 2

It prolly only took like 7 months to develop Mario and Sonic >< While the others take 3 years.

what a slap on the face 0.0...........

 

(Total of all Nintendo games 378.64 Million)  > (Total of all Microsoft games 136.47 Million) + (Total of all Sony games 107.54 Million )

 

*Looks like even with all those 1P's (what people LOVE to say) isn't really doing much for SONY.



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KeptoKnight said:

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games  >  Gears of War 2 > Uncharted 2

It prolly only took like 7 months to develop Mario and Sonic >< While the others take 3 years.

what a slap on the face 0.0...........

 

(Total of all Nintendo games 378.64 Million)  > (Total of all Microsoft games 136.47 Million) + (Total of all Sony games 107.54 Million )

 

*Looks like all those 1P's isn't really doing much for SONY. It just keeps them afloat.

lmao isn't that the truth though haha  It's amazing how well nintendo games sell, it's just ridiculous.




       

JayWood2010 said:
KeptoKnight said:

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games  >  Gears of War 2 > Uncharted 2

It prolly only took like 7 months to develop Mario and Sonic >< While the others take 3 years.

what a slap on the face 0.0...........

 

(Total of all Nintendo games 378.64 Million)  > (Total of all Microsoft games 136.47 Million) + (Total of all Sony games 107.54 Million )

 

*Looks like all those 1P's isn't really doing much for SONY. It just keeps them afloat.

lmao isn't that the truth though haha  It's amazing how well nintendo games sell, it's just ridiculous.


yeah. I have research software charts but never seen this kind of chart comparison (1P's only for all 3 of them like that). I am literally scratching my head......lol



KeptoKnight said:
JayWood2010 said:
KeptoKnight said:

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games  >  Gears of War 2 > Uncharted 2

It prolly only took like 7 months to develop Mario and Sonic >< While the others take 3 years.

what a slap on the face 0.0...........

 

(Total of all Nintendo games 378.64 Million)  > (Total of all Microsoft games 136.47 Million) + (Total of all Sony games 107.54 Million )

 

*Looks like all those 1P's isn't really doing much for SONY. It just keeps them afloat.

lmao isn't that the truth though haha  It's amazing how well nintendo games sell, it's just ridiculous.


yeah. I have research software charts but never seen this kind of chart comparison (1P's only for all 3 of them like that). I am just scratching my head......lol

lol I had to post it in a new thread haha




       

JimmyDanger said:

It's proof of nothing, except that even with an extra year in development over MS, they still couldn't sell more units in that First 5 years - even now in this sixth year.

If the PS3 released a year earlier - would they have had the library? Would it have been even MORE expensive? Less powerful?

If the 360 released a year later would it have been more powerful? With a larger library? Cheaper?

And how would either of these variable factors have affected sales for each platform? Would every single one of those 6 million people bought a PS3 instead, and never bought an xbox (giving Sony a 4.5 million unit lead) - have 75% of those 6 million bought a PS3 already either as a companion console or straight up replacement? It's all just complete speculation. If you think the ONLY reason PS2 outsold GC/XBX was because of it's earlier release - which really , was probably the most minor factor when weighed against full software/controller BC (probably the main reason I bought a PS2 initially, as the launch lineup wasn't so hot) , DVD playback (without additional addon), first/3rd party exclusive library  - then - well I know nobody believes that the primaray reason the PS2 dominated was because it was out first. The same way no one attributes the NES's success due to the fact it was out first, or the Gameboys (vs Lynx/Gamegear) - or any other historical sales comparison.

No - there is no proof of anything in "what if"/"elselworlds" speculation. The only variables we can account for in reality are those based in our reality. Not Counter Earth/Earth 2 where the PS3 released in 2005 for $300 or the 360 released in 2006 for $500. That is pure fanboy fantasy.

Complete thread derailment - initially just replying to the point you made.

 

On topic - Yes they do. Gran Turismo. Though if they brought out Last Guardian at PS4 launch - they'd absolutely win a lot of hardcores over straight away - and also give Team ICO their best selling title ever. Can we call Team ICO a franchise? Technically not - but they are a brand that carries a lot of weight.

Though if they brought out a TRUE Parappa/Lammy sequel (the threadbare Parappa 2 doesn't count for me!) with multiple co-op/competitive modes, replayability with different versions of songs (the same way that when you finished Lammy, you could do the songs as PaRappa or Dark Lammy either solo or in co op/competitive - with different mixes of the track for each -  rather than do the same song while wearing a different colored beanie) - I would pay whatever it cost and preorder it now!

 

 


PS3 is selling at a faster pace than 360 with...

  1. Higher Price point
  2. Late Start
  3. Smaller Library of Games(at least at the start)
  4. Far harsher Critical Analysis
In this alternate reality speak, if PS3 came out first they would of had to have a decent library of games, started development earlier, etc. Otherwise they wouldn't release early.....which is the hypothetical we are talking about. What could MS have done any better if they had an extra year? Possibly make a more durable product less prone to failure at the beginning, yet that didn't really seem to impede sales in the first place. Maybe they would of had more games in development....but wait....they already had more games than PS3 in the beginning, so that still doesn't matter.
The idea is that if the two consoles switch released dates yet everything else about them remained the same, PS3 would have a 8-9million lead on 360 right now.I still think PS3 will eventually outsell it by generation's end. We saw this last gen when Xbox eventually outsold Gamecube in it's final years. This is just proof of selling power, PS3 has far better selling power with the most distinct barriers impeding it.
I do not think the head start is the only reason certain console's won their generation, but lets not kid ourselves, it damn sure helps. 


      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 said:
JimmyDanger said:

It's proof of nothing, except that even with an extra year in development over MS, they still couldn't sell more units in that First 5 years - even now in this sixth year.

If the PS3 released a year earlier - would they have had the library? Would it have been even MORE expensive? Less powerful?

If the 360 released a year later would it have been more powerful? With a larger library? Cheaper?

And how would either of these variable factors have affected sales for each platform? Would every single one of those 6 million people bought a PS3 instead, and never bought an xbox (giving Sony a 4.5 million unit lead) - have 75% of those 6 million bought a PS3 already either as a companion console or straight up replacement? It's all just complete speculation. If you think the ONLY reason PS2 outsold GC/XBX was because of it's earlier release - which really , was probably the most minor factor when weighed against full software/controller BC (probably the main reason I bought a PS2 initially, as the launch lineup wasn't so hot) , DVD playback (without additional addon), first/3rd party exclusive library  - then - well I know nobody believes that the primaray reason the PS2 dominated was because it was out first. The same way no one attributes the NES's success due to the fact it was out first, or the Gameboys (vs Lynx/Gamegear) - or any other historical sales comparison.

No - there is no proof of anything in "what if"/"elselworlds" speculation. The only variables we can account for in reality are those based in our reality. Not Counter Earth/Earth 2 where the PS3 released in 2005 for $300 or the 360 released in 2006 for $500. That is pure fanboy fantasy.

Complete thread derailment - initially just replying to the point you made.

 

On topic - Yes they do. Gran Turismo. Though if they brought out Last Guardian at PS4 launch - they'd absolutely win a lot of hardcores over straight away - and also give Team ICO their best selling title ever. Can we call Team ICO a franchise? Technically not - but they are a brand that carries a lot of weight.

Though if they brought out a TRUE Parappa/Lammy sequel (the threadbare Parappa 2 doesn't count for me!) with multiple co-op/competitive modes, replayability with different versions of songs (the same way that when you finished Lammy, you could do the songs as PaRappa or Dark Lammy either solo or in co op/competitive - with different mixes of the track for each -  rather than do the same song while wearing a different colored beanie) - I would pay whatever it cost and preorder it now!

 

 


PS3 is selling at a faster pace than 360 with...

 

  1. Higher Price point
  2. Late Start
  3. Smaller Library of Games(at least at the start)
  4. Far harsher Critical Analysis
In this alternate reality speak, if PS3 came out first they would of had to have a decent library of games, started development earlier, etc. Otherwise they wouldn't release early.....which is the hypothetical we are talking about. What could MS have done any better if they had an extra year? Possibly make a more durable product less prone to failure at the beginning, yet that didn't really seem to impede sales in the first place. Maybe they would of had more games in development....but wait....they already had more games than PS3 in the beginning, so that still doesn't matter.
The idea is that if the two consoles switch released dates yet everything else about them remained the same, PS3 would have a 8-9million lead on 360 right now.I still think PS3 will eventually outsell it by generation's end. We saw this last gen when Xbox eventually outsold Gamecube in it's final years. This is just proof of selling power, PS3 has far better selling power with the most distinct barriers impeding it.
I do not think the head start is the only reason certain console's won their generation, but lets not kid ourselves, it damn sure helps. 

 


I didnt read your whole comment but yes you are correct, PS3 is ot pacing the X360 in hardware. Software no, but hardware yes.