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Jaywood2010 on 17 November 2012
Jay520 said:
JayWood2010 said:
bouzane said:
Ucell said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:

It's astonishing that we're on a site with all these numbers and people are still so ignorant.

GT5 will pass Reach eventually. There's only 700k separating the best selling Uncharted and Gears games. Sony has God of War and LittleBigPlanet, which are on equal footing with Forza and Fable.

But what else has Microsoft got? Crackdown had limited success, but I wouldn't be surprised if it never got a sequel. Everything Rare puts out these days is a flop. Alan Wake failed miserably.

Then you have Sony with multiple smaller successes. Heavy Rain, inFamous, Killzone, Ratchet. The Last of Us, PS All Stars and Beyond: Two Souls will surely be hits.

There's just no comparison.


God of War is actually bigger than Uncharted. God of War 3 sold over 5 million units, accorfing to an official report by Sony, as of June 30, 2012.


http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/game_comparison.php?reg=Global&ending=Cumulative&game[]=God+of+War+III+%28PS3%29+[12533]&game[]=Uncharted+3%3A+Drake%27s+Deception+%28PS3%29+[49054]&game[]=&game[]=

 

Even if God of War III is undertracked by as much as 600-700,000 units it still isn't as popular as Uncharted 3.


Just ignore Ucell.  He was going on some rant not long ago about the same thing.  

It goes like this for the top 3 franchises

Sony

Gran Turismo-10m+ seller
Uncharted 4-6m Seller
God of War 3-5m seller

Microsoft

Halo 10m+ seller
Gears of War 4-6m seller
Forza 3-5m seller

I might as well put in the OP that I forgot about gran turismo because that was the answer I was looking for.




Actually, God of War is a 4-5m selling franchise, while Forza is a 1-5m selling franchise.





       

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JimmyDanger on 18 November 2012
forevercloud3000 said:
JimmyDanger said:
forevercloud3000 said:

 

 

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Yes I know it's all alternate reality speak (therefore completely pointess, subjective and pure fantasy) - but how the hell did you come up with that number?

That number is not imaginary. 360 had a 6million head start on PS3, PS3 has been selling at a comparable but faster pace. As of right now the gap has decreased from 6million to 1.5-2million(although the gap has closed according to Sony's reports)6m-2m equals 4million difference. 6m + 4m = 12million actually but I was leaving room for margins of error/fluctuation of the market. This corresponds to if PS3 had the year head start that 360 had.

 

 

Also - I wasn't aware - as per the #4 point you made at the top of your post - that the PS3 was subject to far harsher critical analysis than othe consoles. Is this the "Playstation Conspiracy" I hear about? Or are there reasons people are critical of it, or subject more/far harsher criticism? If there is some grand conspiracy of which I am unaware, I best be informed.

Some of it warrented, some of it not. I have been told that I am a very "glass half empty" type of person, probably true. Yet this doesn't excuse the people who choose to ignore what is going on around them because it is too difficult to deal with or think about. If I am only seeing what I want to see, then there is just as much chance that others are NOT seeing what they don't want to see. Regardless of the ethical standing of the scrutiny, PS3 very obviously got more flack than 360 on everything, yet still out performed it year over year.

 

Q-If I pick apples faster than you, but you started earlier - who is the better apple picker? 

A - The person who picks the MOST apples at the end of the day - races aren't run on top speed and MPH - but who gets over the finish line first.

Wrong, if you actually want to retain the sports/athletic metaphore. In order for it to be fair they have to start at the same time(or as close as humanly possible). The faster picker is obviously better because if they had started at the same time he would have picked more, so far more effecient. You can't "cheat" in a race and claim victory. What if everyone said PS360 were failures because they didn't immediately sell 150million like the PS2? Perposterous right? PS2 had several years head start on them, so it is not a totally fair comparison in the grande scheme of things.

Didn't 360 actually outsell PS3 last year?

Nope, wrong again. This was Western biased drivel shoveled out by MS and NPD to give the allure that 360 is doing better than they are. PS3 has handidly outsold 360 every year for the last 3-4(not sure about in the beginning). Yet....media and critics jump down Sony's throat everytime they released numbers screaming "THATS SHIPPED NOT SOLD!" with no proof of that :/ It has been strongly rumoured that PS3 and 360 are actually about even in sales for the past year and a half.

I really do like Sony, but I just tend to respond to people who try to pass off blind "what if" wishes  - or use stats for distance to measure weight -  as "proof". Hence my original reply.

In no way is my hypothetical analysis a blind "what if" scenario. Its backed up by math and sales trends. At the end of the day, Sony still has the strongest and most resilient selling power in the Gaming industry. It is unfortunate that they are in last place.

 

6m + 4m = 12million actually but I was leaving room for margins of error/fluctuation of the market.

Actually - 6+4 = 10 - Although I wouldn't rule out 6+4 = 12 in this wonderfully researched and analysed Earth 2 of yours.

I think it's best I just leave you in Earth 2 to believe in your imaginary numbers. I'm done.



Alby_da_Wolf on 18 November 2012
Skeeuk said:

a game called "cheap launch price" will garantee its success


Absolutely. They need an entry level launch unit at $399 max, then around the Q1 or Q2 after its 2nd Xmas, they need either to cut price or renew the range of models with a new entry level at max $299. Not casually picked figures: $399 was the threshold at which PS3 stopped having troubles selling, so as a launch price it would be good enough, it's high but not so much to scare the first wave of early adopters and enthusiasts, $299 OTOH was the entry price at which PS3 really took off.

Edit: About games, while they should avoid launching GT6 too late, offering a GT6 Prologue during PS4 launch window could be a good move.



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forevercloud3000 on 18 November 2012
JimmyDanger said:
forevercloud3000 said:
JimmyDanger said:
forevercloud3000 said:

 

 

...

 

Yes I know it's all alternate reality speak (therefore completely pointess, subjective and pure fantasy) - but how the hell did you come up with that number?

That number is not imaginary. 360 had a 6million head start on PS3, PS3 has been selling at a comparable but faster pace. As of right now the gap has decreased from 6million to 1.5-2million(although the gap has closed according to Sony's reports)6m-2m equals 4million difference. 6m + 4m = 12million actually but I was leaving room for margins of error/fluctuation of the market. This corresponds to if PS3 had the year head start that 360 had.

 

 

Also - I wasn't aware - as per the #4 point you made at the top of your post - that the PS3 was subject to far harsher critical analysis than othe consoles. Is this the "Playstation Conspiracy" I hear about? Or are there reasons people are critical of it, or subject more/far harsher criticism? If there is some grand conspiracy of which I am unaware, I best be informed.

Some of it warrented, some of it not. I have been told that I am a very "glass half empty" type of person, probably true. Yet this doesn't excuse the people who choose to ignore what is going on around them because it is too difficult to deal with or think about. If I am only seeing what I want to see, then there is just as much chance that others are NOT seeing what they don't want to see. Regardless of the ethical standing of the scrutiny, PS3 very obviously got more flack than 360 on everything, yet still out performed it year over year.

 

Q-If I pick apples faster than you, but you started earlier - who is the better apple picker? 

A - The person who picks the MOST apples at the end of the day - races aren't run on top speed and MPH - but who gets over the finish line first.

Wrong, if you actually want to retain the sports/athletic metaphore. In order for it to be fair they have to start at the same time(or as close as humanly possible). The faster picker is obviously better because if they had started at the same time he would have picked more, so far more effecient. You can't "cheat" in a race and claim victory. What if everyone said PS360 were failures because they didn't immediately sell 150million like the PS2? Perposterous right? PS2 had several years head start on them, so it is not a totally fair comparison in the grande scheme of things.

Didn't 360 actually outsell PS3 last year?

Nope, wrong again. This was Western biased drivel shoveled out by MS and NPD to give the allure that 360 is doing better than they are. PS3 has handidly outsold 360 every year for the last 3-4(not sure about in the beginning). Yet....media and critics jump down Sony's throat everytime they released numbers screaming "THATS SHIPPED NOT SOLD!" with no proof of that :/ It has been strongly rumoured that PS3 and 360 are actually about even in sales for the past year and a half.

I really do like Sony, but I just tend to respond to people who try to pass off blind "what if" wishes  - or use stats for distance to measure weight -  as "proof". Hence my original reply.

In no way is my hypothetical analysis a blind "what if" scenario. Its backed up by math and sales trends. At the end of the day, Sony still has the strongest and most resilient selling power in the Gaming industry. It is unfortunate that they are in last place.

 

6m + 4m = 12million actually but I was leaving room for margins of error/fluctuation of the market.

Actually - 6+4 = 10 - Although I wouldn't rule out 6+4 = 12 in this wonderfully researched and analysed Earth 2 of yours.

I think it's best I just leave you in Earth 2 to believe in your imaginary numbers. I'm done.

0_0 o wow I flubbed that lol. I blame it on my dislexia. Never the less my argument holds up perfectly well, 10million it is.Any other corrections? you know....one that actually matters?



      

      

      

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