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JoeTheBro on 14 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


That's the part people don't seem to understand about Vita. The PSP was forced to recieve watered down PS3 ports due to its hardware. The Vita however is capable of running games as good as PS3 and even better. Its limitations are sloppy developers.

To expand on that: PSASBR even runs on Vita at 60 fps just like on PS3. From betas and demos it is obvious the Vita version is a 1 to 1 port for the end user. (textures are less detailed but that is only visible when blowing the vita screen up)


Nobody has said anything about the hardware of the Vita as it is really good.  Still a bad game is a bad game regardless of how good it looks.  The vita has no mass appeal because it has no franchise that can raise this thing off of the ground.  Sadly this is the path that sony is going in.  Out of all the franchises they own, they dont have 1 franchise that can sell a console a lone.  This is why in a few years when it has a number of exclusives that it may have appeal.  That or hope for a good third party franchise or the possibility of some new ip that can sell it.  Right now it will be relying on CoD so let's see how that goes.

No shit sherlock. That's how all systems work. At launch the hardcore crowd buys a system and then down the road casuals pick it up as value is added.

JayWood2010 said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


You don't get it.  They are both focused on console like games.  Is that a better way of saying it?  Go ahead and defend it but it was a bad strategy then and it's still a bad strategy now but even worst.  

Oh and the Sony All Stars, sorry to burst your bubble but I called this a long time ago and I still stand behind it.  The game is going to flop.  It may sell above 1 million but the reviews will be lack luster.  For the vita the thing will bomb both sale wise and score.

Once again the majority of the people could care less about the cross play feature as most dont even know about it.  And once again the console PS3 version will out do the Vita version. 

So the fact both the Vita and PSP deliver similar experiences to consoles is bad? No. When it works it works great as in the case of LBP Vita and Gravity Rush. These are "console like games."

As for PSASBR, are you really that ignorant? Sorry to burst your bubble but your opinion doesn't burst mine. Do you have this strange misconception that All Stars is a bad game and are you even qualified to be judging it in such an arrogant manor? Based off your last two sentences I'm predicting the answers to be "yes," "yes," and "no."


To sony gaming is a business and how neither LBP or Gravity Rush is moving the Vita, you tell me how this is a good strategy.  You've given me no information.

Yes I've played Playstation All Stars and yes it was not good.  Quote me on this now, Sony All Stars will score between 75-82 metacritic.  Im leaning on the 76 side.  Unless it gets bundled I do not see it selling more than 1 million. 1.5 million at most without a bundle and I don't even see that.

Facepalm: Vita's sales are being moved by both games. Please show me some concrete numbers that prove what you just said. A perfect analogy is a car with flat tires. Putting in a brand new engine doesn't really speed the car up until the tires are fixed.

I'll quote you on that in a week :)



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Jaywood2010 on 14 November 2012
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


That's the part people don't seem to understand about Vita. The PSP was forced to recieve watered down PS3 ports due to its hardware. The Vita however is capable of running games as good as PS3 and even better. Its limitations are sloppy developers.

To expand on that: PSASBR even runs on Vita at 60 fps just like on PS3. From betas and demos it is obvious the Vita version is a 1 to 1 port for the end user. (textures are less detailed but that is only visible when blowing the vita screen up)


Nobody has said anything about the hardware of the Vita as it is really good.  Still a bad game is a bad game regardless of how good it looks.  The vita has no mass appeal because it has no franchise that can raise this thing off of the ground.  Sadly this is the path that sony is going in.  Out of all the franchises they own, they dont have 1 franchise that can sell a console a lone.  This is why in a few years when it has a number of exclusives that it may have appeal.  That or hope for a good third party franchise or the possibility of some new ip that can sell it.  Right now it will be relying on CoD so let's see how that goes.

No shit sherlock. That's how all systems work. At launch the hardcore crowd buys a system and then down the road casuals pick it up as value is added.

JayWood2010 said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


You don't get it.  They are both focused on console like games.  Is that a better way of saying it?  Go ahead and defend it but it was a bad strategy then and it's still a bad strategy now but even worst.  

Oh and the Sony All Stars, sorry to burst your bubble but I called this a long time ago and I still stand behind it.  The game is going to flop.  It may sell above 1 million but the reviews will be lack luster.  For the vita the thing will bomb both sale wise and score.

Once again the majority of the people could care less about the cross play feature as most dont even know about it.  And once again the console PS3 version will out do the Vita version. 

So the fact both the Vita and PSP deliver similar experiences to consoles is bad? No. When it works it works great as in the case of LBP Vita and Gravity Rush. These are "console like games."

As for PSASBR, are you really that ignorant? Sorry to burst your bubble but your opinion doesn't burst mine. Do you have this strange misconception that All Stars is a bad game and are you even qualified to be judging it in such an arrogant manor? Based off your last two sentences I'm predicting the answers to be "yes," "yes," and "no."


To sony gaming is a business and how neither LBP or Gravity Rush is moving the Vita, you tell me how this is a good strategy.  You've given me no information.

Yes I've played Playstation All Stars and yes it was not good.  Quote me on this now, Sony All Stars will score between 75-82 metacritic.  Im leaning on the 76 side.  Unless it gets bundled I do not see it selling more than 1 million. 1.5 million at most without a bundle and I don't even see that.

Facepalm: Vita's sales are being moved by both games. Please show me some concrete numbers that prove what you just said. A perfect analogy is a car with flat tires. Putting in a brand new engine doesn't really speed the car up until the tires are fixed.

I'll quote you on that in a week :)

lol I'm counting on it haha  I'll be waiting.

Ok you can defend the Vita all you want, especially if you like it.  That is your opinion, but when talking about sales the thing has not done so well so far, so just leave that part out of it or do I need to bring comparisons into this?




       

Chark on 14 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:

To sony gaming is a business and how neither LBP or Gravity Rush is moving the Vita, you tell me how this is a good strategy.  You've given me no information.


Yes, what they need are games like Sunflowers and Puddle. Quick pick me up titles that are geared towards mobiles. That's why those are selling the millions....oh wait, they're not? Oh, well what games are selling the most on the handheld. Console like games...hmm

JayWood, though your arguements are valid they don't really stand firm enough. It's far too easy to write this off as the reason but sales history proves otherwise. There are a variety of reasons that could have a more substantial impact than the ones you claim are the cause for Vita's woes. It isn't so simplistic.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

JoeTheBro on 14 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


That's the part people don't seem to understand about Vita. The PSP was forced to recieve watered down PS3 ports due to its hardware. The Vita however is capable of running games as good as PS3 and even better. Its limitations are sloppy developers.

To expand on that: PSASBR even runs on Vita at 60 fps just like on PS3. From betas and demos it is obvious the Vita version is a 1 to 1 port for the end user. (textures are less detailed but that is only visible when blowing the vita screen up)


Nobody has said anything about the hardware of the Vita as it is really good.  Still a bad game is a bad game regardless of how good it looks.  The vita has no mass appeal because it has no franchise that can raise this thing off of the ground.  Sadly this is the path that sony is going in.  Out of all the franchises they own, they dont have 1 franchise that can sell a console a lone.  This is why in a few years when it has a number of exclusives that it may have appeal.  That or hope for a good third party franchise or the possibility of some new ip that can sell it.  Right now it will be relying on CoD so let's see how that goes.

No shit sherlock. That's how all systems work. At launch the hardcore crowd buys a system and then down the road casuals pick it up as value is added.

JayWood2010 said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


You don't get it.  They are both focused on console like games.  Is that a better way of saying it?  Go ahead and defend it but it was a bad strategy then and it's still a bad strategy now but even worst.  

Oh and the Sony All Stars, sorry to burst your bubble but I called this a long time ago and I still stand behind it.  The game is going to flop.  It may sell above 1 million but the reviews will be lack luster.  For the vita the thing will bomb both sale wise and score.

Once again the majority of the people could care less about the cross play feature as most dont even know about it.  And once again the console PS3 version will out do the Vita version. 

So the fact both the Vita and PSP deliver similar experiences to consoles is bad? No. When it works it works great as in the case of LBP Vita and Gravity Rush. These are "console like games."

As for PSASBR, are you really that ignorant? Sorry to burst your bubble but your opinion doesn't burst mine. Do you have this strange misconception that All Stars is a bad game and are you even qualified to be judging it in such an arrogant manor? Based off your last two sentences I'm predicting the answers to be "yes," "yes," and "no."


To sony gaming is a business and how neither LBP or Gravity Rush is moving the Vita, you tell me how this is a good strategy.  You've given me no information.

Yes I've played Playstation All Stars and yes it was not good.  Quote me on this now, Sony All Stars will score between 75-82 metacritic.  Im leaning on the 76 side.  Unless it gets bundled I do not see it selling more than 1 million. 1.5 million at most without a bundle and I don't even see that.

Facepalm: Vita's sales are being moved by both games. Please show me some concrete numbers that prove what you just said. A perfect analogy is a car with flat tires. Putting in a brand new engine doesn't really speed the car up until the tires are fixed.

I'll quote you on that in a week :)

lol I'm counting on it haha  I'll be waiting.

Ok you can defend the Vita all you want, especially if you like it.  That is your opinion, but when talking about sales the thing has not done so well so far, so just leave that part out of it or do I need to bring comparisons into this?


Obviously it is selling horribly but software isn't the problem. That is one of the things Sony is really doing good with considering the situation. You are foreign to the device and like most of the internet believe "vita haz no (quality) gaemz." Ask any Vita owner and the majority of us will say these "console games" are what sold us on the system.



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Jaywood2010 on 14 November 2012
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


That's the part people don't seem to understand about Vita. The PSP was forced to recieve watered down PS3 ports due to its hardware. The Vita however is capable of running games as good as PS3 and even better. Its limitations are sloppy developers.

To expand on that: PSASBR even runs on Vita at 60 fps just like on PS3. From betas and demos it is obvious the Vita version is a 1 to 1 port for the end user. (textures are less detailed but that is only visible when blowing the vita screen up)


Nobody has said anything about the hardware of the Vita as it is really good.  Still a bad game is a bad game regardless of how good it looks.  The vita has no mass appeal because it has no franchise that can raise this thing off of the ground.  Sadly this is the path that sony is going in.  Out of all the franchises they own, they dont have 1 franchise that can sell a console a lone.  This is why in a few years when it has a number of exclusives that it may have appeal.  That or hope for a good third party franchise or the possibility of some new ip that can sell it.  Right now it will be relying on CoD so let's see how that goes.

No shit sherlock. That's how all systems work. At launch the hardcore crowd buys a system and then down the road casuals pick it up as value is added.

JayWood2010 said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


You don't get it.  They are both focused on console like games.  Is that a better way of saying it?  Go ahead and defend it but it was a bad strategy then and it's still a bad strategy now but even worst.  

Oh and the Sony All Stars, sorry to burst your bubble but I called this a long time ago and I still stand behind it.  The game is going to flop.  It may sell above 1 million but the reviews will be lack luster.  For the vita the thing will bomb both sale wise and score.

Once again the majority of the people could care less about the cross play feature as most dont even know about it.  And once again the console PS3 version will out do the Vita version. 

So the fact both the Vita and PSP deliver similar experiences to consoles is bad? No. When it works it works great as in the case of LBP Vita and Gravity Rush. These are "console like games."

As for PSASBR, are you really that ignorant? Sorry to burst your bubble but your opinion doesn't burst mine. Do you have this strange misconception that All Stars is a bad game and are you even qualified to be judging it in such an arrogant manor? Based off your last two sentences I'm predicting the answers to be "yes," "yes," and "no."


To sony gaming is a business and how neither LBP or Gravity Rush is moving the Vita, you tell me how this is a good strategy.  You've given me no information.

Yes I've played Playstation All Stars and yes it was not good.  Quote me on this now, Sony All Stars will score between 75-82 metacritic.  Im leaning on the 76 side.  Unless it gets bundled I do not see it selling more than 1 million. 1.5 million at most without a bundle and I don't even see that.

Facepalm: Vita's sales are being moved by both games. Please show me some concrete numbers that prove what you just said. A perfect analogy is a car with flat tires. Putting in a brand new engine doesn't really speed the car up until the tires are fixed.

I'll quote you on that in a week :)

lol I'm counting on it haha  I'll be waiting.

Ok you can defend the Vita all you want, especially if you like it.  That is your opinion, but when talking about sales the thing has not done so well so far, so just leave that part out of it or do I need to bring comparisons into this?


Obviously it is selling horribly but software isn't the problem. That is one of the things Sony is really doing good with considering the situation. You are foreign to the device and like most of the internet believe "vita haz no (quality) gaemz." Ask any Vita owner and the majority of us will say these "console games" are what sold us on the system.


No it has games and I'm very aware of this.  Gravity Rush, LBP, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, Rayman Origins, etc.  But none of them has the appeal to sell it is what I'm saying.  My sister has a vita and I consider her to be in more of the casual call of duty like crowd that buys massive games like Call of Duty and Skyrim.  She has yet to buy a game for her vita because she doesn't know what any of the games are.  On top of that sony's marketing is kind of crap so that isnt helping it.  




       

JoeTheBro on 14 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:

lol I'm counting on it haha  I'll be waiting.

Ok you can defend the Vita all you want, especially if you like it.  That is your opinion, but when talking about sales the thing has not done so well so far, so just leave that part out of it or do I need to bring comparisons into this?


Obviously it is selling horribly but software isn't the problem. That is one of the things Sony is really doing good with considering the situation. You are foreign to the device and like most of the internet believe "vita haz no (quality) gaemz." Ask any Vita owner and the majority of us will say these "console games" are what sold us on the system.


No it has games and I'm very aware of this.  Gravity Rush, LBP, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, Rayman Origins, etc.  But none of them has the appeal to sell it is what I'm saying.  My sister has a vita and I consider her to be in more of the casual call of duty like crowd that buys massive games like Call of Duty and Skyrim.  She has yet to buy a game for her vita because she doesn't know what any of the games are.  On top of that sony's marketing is kind of crap so that isnt helping it.  

You just figured it all out.



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teigaga on 14 November 2012
disolitude said:
I don't care much for these rumors but there is a point where the news reporter says "this is to ensure that it can play games at 1080p and 60 fps in 3D"...

Sadly PS4 won't be able to do this as the 3D spec doesn't support 1080p anything over HDMI. 1080p @ 24fps for bluray is max it can do. Only connection allowing for 1080p 3D gaming is dual link DVI.

Also, even if magically they decided to include a Dual Link DVI port on some new TVs, there is no way in hell next gen will be able to do 1080p 3D @60 fps with an AMD APU. You'd need a latest Intel i5 and a GTX 680 to do that.

Otherwise, carry on with rumors...

Does HDMI.4 not support 1080p 3D? It supports 4K, it would be weird for it not to support the latter



disolitude on 14 November 2012
teigaga said:
disolitude said:
I don't care much for these rumors but there is a point where the news reporter says "this is to ensure that it can play games at 1080p and 60 fps in 3D"...

Sadly PS4 won't be able to do this as the 3D spec doesn't support 1080p anything over HDMI. 1080p @ 24fps for bluray is max it can do. Only connection allowing for 1080p 3D gaming is dual link DVI.

Also, even if magically they decided to include a Dual Link DVI port on some new TVs, there is no way in hell next gen will be able to do 1080p 3D @60 fps with an AMD APU. You'd need a latest Intel i5 and a GTX 680 to do that.

Otherwise, carry on with rumors...

Does HDMI.4 not support 1080p 3D? It supports 4K, it would be weird for it not to support the latter


I explained in this thread why it doesn't support 1080p3D @ 60hz per eye.

It does 1080p 3D @24hz currently and there is a good chance it may support 1080p3D at 60 when 4K TV's and HDMI 1.5 standard comes out. But there is no 1080p 3D @60 hz support in HDMI 1.4



Jaywood2010 on 14 November 2012
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:

lol I'm counting on it haha  I'll be waiting.

Ok you can defend the Vita all you want, especially if you like it.  That is your opinion, but when talking about sales the thing has not done so well so far, so just leave that part out of it or do I need to bring comparisons into this?


Obviously it is selling horribly but software isn't the problem. That is one of the things Sony is really doing good with considering the situation. You are foreign to the device and like most of the internet believe "vita haz no (quality) gaemz." Ask any Vita owner and the majority of us will say these "console games" are what sold us on the system.


No it has games and I'm very aware of this.  Gravity Rush, LBP, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, Rayman Origins, etc.  But none of them has the appeal to sell it is what I'm saying.  My sister has a vita and I consider her to be in more of the casual call of duty like crowd that buys massive games like Call of Duty and Skyrim.  She has yet to buy a game for her vita because she doesn't know what any of the games are.  On top of that sony's marketing is kind of crap so that isnt helping it.  

You just figured it all out.

lol