I don't think either of those 2 things should be legal as well, but that's just my opinion. And outside of slavery, the founding America was pretty much perfect when it comes to laws, it went downhill ever since. Isolationism, true free land and no imperialism together with very hard working people with high morale

It went all downhill once we allowed those pesky women the right to vote.

LOL, maybe :p

It's a bad thing if you're opposed to state-funded education, and welfare, like I am.

I don't prefer if the money went to the cartels. But, why are you giving me that choice? Why have I got to choose between two mafias (the state, and the cartels)? Why can't I choose between the mafias (either one, they're basically the same thing), or just letting the money go where the markets determine?

What is actually wrong with state funded education, most people can't afford a private education you know, only the 1% can!

and what is wrong is with the welfare state?, it's acts like a safety net for those who are unfortunately unemployed or those who live in poverty.

The state creates unemployment and poverty, why should I listen to their ideas of solutions, when they're the ones who create the problem in the first place?

As for drugs, legalising them is the only way, government might as well collect taxes on it for other things, instead of wasting money on a phoney war on drugs and arresting people, legalising more popular drugs like pot is a good way of reducing the prison population, while reducing state spending too and the crime rate will drop, since the cartel will have to find other ways as effective as the drug trade to make excessive profits,  it's a win-win situation.

It takes money from one cartel (the Mexican ones), and gives it to another (the state). It's not win-win, it's a sideways movement. You honestly believe the prison population is going to decrease? With all this new weed-money in the state kitty? They're just going to use it to enforce other laws better. The way the system is set up, there's too much money in the prison world for their to ever be a sizeable decrease in the prison population.

Finally, do you really believe in a truely liberal economy? I don't as it ownly benefits the CEO's and executives of a company, while the poor are exploited for all it's worth and the environment is destroyed. i'm sorry, but there is not enough trust in these corporations to let them do whatever they want anymore, they need to be tamed. 

I do believe in a 100% capitalist economy. Zero Government. Nada. Corporations have nothing to do with capitalism, and are a product of the state. The environment would be protected just fine in a free society, thanks to property rights.

That is one of Thomas Jefferson's most important principals.  He said if you allow everyone to vote, then you must have an educated electorate.  It is a major founding principal of the United States.

So would you want to change it so only people with High School or College Diplomas are allowed to vote?  Or as in Stormship Trouper - only people that served in the military are allowed to vote.

To get rid of public education, you would have to have a major overall of how people vote.

 PS I think the actions of a Mafia and the Government are quite different.  But if you don't see the difference then you live in a different world than I.

1. She has a decent point but people should have a choice of private or state education at least, especiallly in the poorer nations. My whole problem with private schools, is the fact that they cost money. Even if it's cheap, money is still a sort of barrier to education. sure, it may be better than state education in some cases, but I think a government should provide a service for the neediest, while the better off have a choice between the two.

... and state schools are free, right?

2. I disagree, the flaws of the capitalist system create poverty and unemployment. In a time like this, when the market trully fucked up, we have seen poverty and unemployment only rise! For example US poverty rose from 12.5% in 2007 to 15% in 2011, Average wages have fall from $55,000 to $50,000 in the same time,while unemployment was under 5% in 2007 but is now around 8%, in a country like the United States, there is no where the state caused all that!  Explain how the state created these? (the only time government creates unemployment, is when they lay off public sector workers) And how is the market any better?, they create problems themselves. I would like to know what democratic body you would replace the government with, seriously is there any alternative?

How did the state create all these? Simple, they fucked around with the money supply, causing high inflation, and forcing interest rates down. These generated bubbles, primarily in housing, which burst in the autumn of 2008. They then made it worse through intervention which has caused the crisis to drag out through the past 5 years.

3. Of course, it's better the money goes away from dangerous gangbangers to the state who can help people get a job and fix the infrastructure. Of course, the prison population will go down too, since many are arrested for similiar having drugs, legalising them means they won't go to jail at all, costing the state more. While the taxes raised from pot can be used to help set up family run business', which is great for jobs and the economy. As for your last sentence, do you think that how it is in state prisons. If the talking about the USA still, most prisons are actually private now, which is where the money comes in. They profit from incarcerating people!

Stop using "of course" it's not as obvious as you think. There are far too many people involved with far too many incentives for the prison population to decrease. How many cops, bureaucrats, lawyers,etc... do you think would lose their jobs if drugs were fully legalized? How many prisons closed down? Probably zero, as, instead, they'd just be redeployed in dealing with other crimes. You know the average American commits 3 crimes a day, right? They'll just start enforcing those. And now they have all this lovely drug money to pay for it.

4. Just like communism, a truly capitalist is not really possible. The wealth of corporations can't help but corrupt the government and make it nearly impossible for smaller businesses to compete (really free isn't it!). But even if there was a truly liberal market, profit would still be the motive here, not anyone else. I don't see why they wouldn't pay even less to workers, if there was an anarchic society. As for the envirionment, i doubt they would care that much about it as long as business is strong, since companies can move to somewhere else anyway 

Again, corportations are a product of the state, and not capitalism. So any argument you make against capitalism through corporations is automatically null and void. You're right, profit is the motive... for everybody! Why would workers work when it isn't profitable for them? And why would they stick to employers which don't give them as much profit as others? The only reason that labour mobility is low is because the State makes moving jobs a hard and dangerous time.

As for the environment. During the industrial revolution, property rights were first powerful enough to protect the environment. If a factory opened up near your land, and caused environmental damage, you coud sue them for damages... thus, it became profitable for firms to build their factories so that they operated in a more environmentallr friendly manner. Then, the state got involved... it decided that the "public good" was more important than these silly little property owners, and the courts started ruling in favour of the factory owners. The rest, as they say, is history.

Probably one of the best arguments I have ever heard.  People seem to not know that when marijuana is legalized it's use usually goes down!  So people are already smoking and doing their jobs, living their lives, etc.  Now they can do the same, but they will not be commenting crimes and supporting gangs, and putting so many people that would be otherwise productive by sending them to prison.

I can personally count on one hand, the number of times I have had coffee.  I can’t stand it personally, but I don’t think it would benefit society by making it illegal.  I know people love it, use it, and can still be productive.  Sure, it has some bad qualities, but who am I to decide what people do with their bodies?  I only have authority over my own.

I leave near the Mexican border, and there are so more horrific murders committed their than Afghanistan and Iraq combined – and those are war zones.  I want those to stop. 

Sure drugs can be abused, but criminal profiteering is much more dangerous in my opinion.

As a fellow Australian, that shit was a disgrace. What we need to do is kick out all those bigoted old farts with their obsolete politics who make up the vast bulk of the  government.