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OneHappyGamer:) on 02 November 2012

I really think it would be best for everyone if all consoles were basically the same graphically as the Wii U. The jump to HD took out alot of devs, much more then any gen I believe, and Sony and Microsoft have yet to recover the losses they made on their HD twins. and quality of games (IMO) were not nearly as good gameplay wise as previous gens. sure there were a few gems here and there, but on average i felt that we weren't getting as good games as we used to. so for the 8th gen they should improve on the experience, which seems to be what is happening with the Wii U. hopefully the PS4/720 will follow.



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Rafux on 02 November 2012
OneHappyGamer:) said:
I really think it would be best for everyone if all consoles were basically the same graphically as the Wii U. The jump to HD took out alot of devs, much more then any gen I believe, and Sony and Microsoft have yet to recover the losses they made on their HD twins. and quality of games (IMO) were not nearly as good gameplay wise as previous gens. sure there were a few gems here and there, but on average i felt that we weren't getting as good games as we used to. so for the 8th gen they should improve on the experience, which seems to be what is happening with the Wii U. hopefully the PS4/720 will follow.


In my opinion only the cream of the crop survived the HD transition (with some exceptions).



Scisca on 02 November 2012

PS4 won't be a powerhouse, but will still be noticably more powerful than the WiiU, that's a given. I'd be really surpriced if Sony didn't fit it something like Ultra HD out port. I've heard that the dev kits don't have it, but this doesn't mean that they won't pack it in the end. I think it would be a winning move if they made the PS4 so that:
a) it puts out 1080p 60 fps 3D with DX 11 level graphics
b) it can be controlled by the Vita the way Wii U works with the same speed of reaction
c) it will be able to stream movies and games in Ultra HD from Gaikai in a couple of years, when the technology becomes common in Europe/America/Japan

Let's face it, Sony has always used a console launch to push its newest tech out on the market. I would be surpriced if they decided not to surprice us with the introduction on anything this time. I think they invested quite a lot of money in both Ultra HD and Gaikai. Such a console would be affordable, quite simmilar to the Wii U and future proof at the same time. They would be more or less on Wii U level but the ceiling would be at a totally different level. This could also help them make a move in their TV business, which is struggling like never before.
Do you think this is possible? Or smart? :)



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VGKing on 02 November 2012
osed125 said:
VGKing said:
1. The rumored PS4 specs are actually much more powerful than the Wii U. We don't know specifics but I'd say at best 3x the power.
2. If Sony really plans to have the PS4 run games at 1080p, 60FPS in 3D, then something is missing from these rumors. The APU alone won't achieve that. It needs a dedicated graphics card as well.
3. Rumors mention a "very affordable console" that "isn't a slouch". I think this person is paying a little too much attention to the "affordable" part. By affordable I doubt they mean $300. They just mean "no more $599".

Then what you consider "affordable"?, imo if Sony goes beyond $400 (maybe a max of $450) then it will be the PS3 situation all over again. Yes it's still less than $600 but the market have changed a lot in this past gen, most people (not core gamers) aren't willing to spent that much in a gaming console. Sure Sony will make fans happy but the investors will be pissed.


I consider $300 the optimal mass market price for a new console, but I don't see that happening with the PS4. Since Sony is going with a powerful but affordable box, I'd say $400 is the max they can go for the basic model. $450 for the deluxe. If Sony is smart maye they can eve squeeze out a $350 12gig on-board flash model right from the start.



VGKing on 02 November 2012
Kenology said:

Wonder what pezus and oniyide have to say about this...

Anyways, as I've been saying for two months now, I always predicted that the PS4 wouldn't be the graphical leap that so many were expecting. Some Sony fans think I'm crazy and proceeded the knock the Wii U for not being the leap over the PS360 that the want and said the PS4 would be just that. I wonder if they change their tune once the PS4 isn't the leap that they expect and suddenly become fine with the PS4 being "underpowered" (the word they used to describe the Wii U) after knocking the Wii U so much for not being a huge leap. Not saying the OP is true. But I don't doubt that it may end up being true.

We shall see!

 

EDIT:  I don't think the WiiU had anything to do with this decision, assuming it's true.  It's moreso Sony learning its lesson that a powerful Godbox that's expensive to develop for and selling at a loss will mean the end of them.

Did you not read these specs? 8-16gigs of RAM(4-8 for retail versions) and one of the newest AMD APUs. 
From the looks of this, this is already a much better console than the PS3. I'd say at the very least, 2 Wii U's taped together.

The thing about the Wii U is that it is a weak console for being next-gen. Especially considering the fact that it is directly competing with 360/PS3 right now. We haven't seen any games that give off that next-gen vibe.(not power-wise). With Wii U its all about the controller. If it wasn't for that controller, the Wii U could be launching in 2 weeks at $250. Compare this to the PS4 which will most likely launch at $400.



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VGKing on 02 November 2012
Crono141 said:
pokoko said:
JEMC said:
pokoko said:

Everyone is expecting Microsoft to go beast in terms of power, but I'm not so sure, not if Kinect 2.0 is integrated or offered in bundles at launch. That would make the 720 really expensive, and as Xbox is the weakest brand of the three, I think it's important for Microsoft to have a really solid launch year.

In Japan yes, but not in North America. Microsoft has made a really good job in their home market and their brand is now very well known. And in Europe the things are a lot better than last gen, specially in the UK.

When I say it without modifiers, I mean globally.  No real reason to break it up.  The 360 launched first yet has the lowest installed base and the lowest sales rate, which tells me it was the weaker brand this generation.  It will probably lose market share in 2012 to Sony, even with the release of Halo 4 and a new CoD game.  That's why I think Microsoft needs a great launch if they want to increase market share next gen.  If they falter out the gates it could hurt them quite a bit outside the US and perhaps even in NA somewhat, especially given that they won't be the first next gen console this time around.

Not according to the very site you're commenting on.

Also, its the end of console life, everyone is selling slow, even PS3.

True. We see PS3 being 1st every single week....but that's not really that impressive. Both 360 and PS3 are dying, and PS3 is dying the slowest. Is that really something to brag about? I am hoping the Wii U is a huge success so Sony and don't get any ideas about delaying their consoles anymore. 



Kenology on 02 November 2012
VGKing said:
Kenology said:

Wonder what pezus and oniyide have to say about this...

Anyways, as I've been saying for two months now, I always predicted that the PS4 wouldn't be the graphical leap that so many were expecting. Some Sony fans think I'm crazy and proceeded the knock the Wii U for not being the leap over the PS360 that the want and said the PS4 would be just that. I wonder if they change their tune once the PS4 isn't the leap that they expect and suddenly become fine with the PS4 being "underpowered" (the word they used to describe the Wii U) after knocking the Wii U so much for not being a huge leap. Not saying the OP is true. But I don't doubt that it may end up being true.

We shall see!

 

EDIT:  I don't think the WiiU had anything to do with this decision, assuming it's true.  It's moreso Sony learning its lesson that a powerful Godbox that's expensive to develop for and selling at a loss will mean the end of them.

Did you not read these specs? 8-16gigs of RAM(4-8 for retail versions) and one of the newest AMD APUs. 
From the looks of this, this is already a much better console than the PS3. I'd say at the very least, 2 Wii U's taped together.

The thing about the Wii U is that it is a weak console for being next-gen. Especially considering the fact that it is directly competing with 360/PS3 right now. We haven't seen any games that give off that next-gen vibe.(not power-wise). With Wii U its all about the controller. If it wasn't for that controller, the Wii U could be launching in 2 weeks at $250. Compare this to the PS4 which will most likely launch at $400.

I don't read stats, so don't be mad and defensive.  I'm not really interested in fighting with you over something you seem to be so emotionally invested in.  Your response had nothing to do with what I said.  You're talking about Wii U, I'm talking about PS4.  But two Wii U's taped together is not the major leap I think most are expecting from previous conversations I've had with people which YOU were NOT apart of.  Not interested in talking about Wii U's power relative to being next gen or not, it's not an issue for me.  My point is it'll be interesting what people's response will be once the PS4 is confirmed to not be as powerful as many folks think and how everyone who bashed the Wii U for being "underpowered" will react (which I anticipate they'll all of a sudden be ok with a marginal leap!).  It's just speculation on my part though.  PS4 could be a Godbox again, who knows.  But I doubt it.



Crono141 on 02 November 2012
VGKing said:
Kenology said:

Wonder what pezus and oniyide have to say about this...

Anyways, as I've been saying for two months now, I always predicted that the PS4 wouldn't be the graphical leap that so many were expecting. Some Sony fans think I'm crazy and proceeded the knock the Wii U for not being the leap over the PS360 that the want and said the PS4 would be just that. I wonder if they change their tune once the PS4 isn't the leap that they expect and suddenly become fine with the PS4 being "underpowered" (the word they used to describe the Wii U) after knocking the Wii U so much for not being a huge leap. Not saying the OP is true. But I don't doubt that it may end up being true.

We shall see!

 

EDIT:  I don't think the WiiU had anything to do with this decision, assuming it's true.  It's moreso Sony learning its lesson that a powerful Godbox that's expensive to develop for and selling at a loss will mean the end of them.

Did you not read these specs? 8-16gigs of RAM(4-8 for retail versions) and one of the newest AMD APUs. 
From the looks of this, this is already a much better console than the PS3. I'd say at the very least, 2 Wii U's taped together.

The thing about the Wii U is that it is a weak console for being next-gen. Especially considering the fact that it is directly competing with 360/PS3 right now. We haven't seen any games that give off that next-gen vibe.(not power-wise). With Wii U its all about the controller. If it wasn't for that controller, the Wii U could be launching in 2 weeks at $250. Compare this to the PS4 which will most likely launch at $400.

Running an x86/x64 instruction set.  Its a non-specialized chip that is a great general purpose chip, but as the brains behind a game console it isn't the best.  Don't expect much more out of it than the Wii U gives us.

I see Sony doing this as part of their plan to avoid import taxes in several regions by claiming the PS4 is actually a home computer.  They tried this with both the PS2 and PS3 by including the option to install another OS (Other OS in PS3, purchased add-on for PS2).  If anything, it looks to me like they WILL launch a home computer in the PS4 with the downside being that it is not well tuned for dedicated gaming.

Who knows, it may run linux out of the box, with a steam-like download service.  With Valve spearheading the gaming market on Linux, I could see Sony trying to capitalize on the expanded Linux gaming possibilities and at the same time attempt to cannabalize PC game sales.

Other than cutting hardware costs, that or a similar strategy is the only reason why I can think sony would go for an x86 chip.  Likewise with Microsoft.



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z101 on 02 November 2012
VGKing said:

Did you not read these specs? 8-16gigs of RAM(4-8 for retail versions) and one of the newest AMD APUs. 
From the looks of this, this is already a much better console than the PS3. I'd say at the very least, 2 Wii U's taped together.

The thing about the Wii U is that it is a weak console for being next-gen. Especially considering the fact that it is directly competing with 360/PS3 right now. We haven't seen any games that give off that next-gen vibe.(not power-wise). With Wii U its all about the controller. If it wasn't for that controller, the Wii U could be launching in 2 weeks at $250. Compare this to the PS4 which will most likely launch at $400.

The APU10 ist not very powerful. In fact if PS4 only had the APU10 as CPU/GPU the Wii U would be more powerful.



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Nem on 02 November 2012
runqvist said:
Wii U had no effect on MS/Sony.

I am now hoping that Sony will release a lower spec console while MS releases a powerhouse. MS can take some losses with no problem and it just might lead to huge victory. Mmmm.. Imagine, a 70% marketshare MS console. That would be so sweet.

You are daydreaming. How did that work for microsoft in the PS2 era? history has proven us time and again that the most powerful system almost never wins.

There is logic to it, if you care to think about it.

Also, the Xbox will never be sucessful in Japan and europe in Sonyland. Microsoft pretty much maxed out their potencial this gen. The only way they can get more is if one of the other 2 mess up bad.