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well imo everyone is different but also the same
so equal chance is not bad right?



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Grey Acumen said:
ManusJustusNardus said:

Whenever you have the words "equal rights" and "have gone to far" in the same sentence, you should think about how wrong you are before you post it.

Well, if "equal rights" get pushed to the point that they stop being equal, then I'd say that they've "gone too far"

 


Then they're not 'equal rights' though.  Which rights are you talking about?



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Grey Acumen said:
Wow, this is just irritating on multiple levels...

dtekdahl makes a decent point. Women and Men are different. Men cannot get pregnant, Men aren't exactly qualified candidates for breastfeeding, and there are also differences in the physiology that mean men are generally better qualified for certain tasks and women are generally better qualified for other tasks. It's this dichotomy that makes the Man/Woman relationship such a useful thing.

However, there has been this push for "equality" and even in those cases where the people are actually pushing for true equality, and not for special privileges, I still think there are problems associated with this push.

The problem lies in the difficulty of weighing the "equality" of two completely different creatures. Both have entirely different strengths and weaknesses. If you view every single one of these, then I'm certain people would already find that Women and Men are already quite equal, but the problem is that people are only looking at specific aspects for the basis of judging equality.
This poses the problem that women are being pushed, whether literally or merely from perception, to achieve in areas that aren't necessarily part of their strengths, but also often at the expense of of other important aspects of their identity as a woman.

Perhaps this is merely anecdotal evidence, but I've heard of a number of cases where very successful women have not been happy in their success, as it often involved quite a bit of sacrifice of their time as mother/wife etc.
Women are generally more emotional than men, and this is not a bad thing. I know it is often my fiance that helps work me out of my shell to ensure we maintain a constant line of communication, and this has done a great deal to ensure the success of our relationship. However, this also will, again in general, leave women much harder pressed to deal with extended periods away from their family with long business hours and that type of daily stress.
Another thing I notice is that women generally are far better at letting go of stress than men are, but ONLY if they have an outlet for that stress, either by talking to someone or venting their frustrations in some other manner. Men tend to hold in stress, but are also able to suppress the need for an outlet, which can help ensure better business relations. Of course, without ANY outlet, this can easily lead to problems with health and eventually reach a breaking point to where the built up stress simply boils over.

I will wrap up these points simply by stating that yes, Women and Men are equal. Yet they are also VERY different. The choice of how to live one's life is up to the person in question, and in the case of a couple in a relationship, that choice needs to be discussed between both members. However, in making this choice, both sides, whether working to provide further income or staying home to raise a family, needs to be recognized for their full merits.
Whatever the decision, happiness will most likely be obtained through recognition of ones achievements. In my eyes, being a good mother, wife and homemaker is just as much to be valued and appreciated as a woman who is a top business executive. This is probably why in the various talks I've had with my fiance, she doesn't mind that possibility, but also leaves the possibility open for her to continue working. I know that whatever decision she makes will be with the best interest for both us and whatever family we have at the time, and I'll support her in that decision.
Not all of these points apply to all women, or all men. There will always be cases that deviate from the norm. But the point that I am making, and that i think dtekdahl is attempting to make, is that this strange idea that a woman has run her own business or do all of the same things a man does in order to be "equal" is rather ridiculous. If anything, the push for "equality" has only made it harder for a woman to be recognized as being equal if she happens to chose a life direction that is stereotypically "feminine" Which shouldn't be the case at all.

Very well stated.



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godf said:
Grey Acumen said:
ManusJustusNardus said:

Whenever you have the words "equal rights" and "have gone to far" in the same sentence, you should think about how wrong you are before you post it.

Well, if "equal rights" get pushed to the point that they stop being equal, then I'd say that they've "gone too far"

 


Then they're not 'equal rights' though. Which rights are you talking about?


 Read his post... maybe?



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Avalach21 said:
godf said:
Grey Acumen said:
ManusJustusNardus said:

Whenever you have the words "equal rights" and "have gone to far" in the same sentence, you should think about how wrong you are before you post it.

Well, if "equal rights" get pushed to the point that they stop being equal, then I'd say that they've "gone too far"

 


Then they're not 'equal rights' though. Which rights are you talking about?


 Read his post... maybe?

 

I have.  He just rambles on about what he thinks about men and women, without mentioning any particular rights which he thinks need to be revoked.  Which is why I asked the question.



I feel that men and women are equal in every way EXCEPT in the courtroom.



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dtekdahl00 said:
I don't disagree with anyone here in this particular thread, I'm just having a heck of a time tryiing to make a point without coming off sexist....
If you have to tiptoe around the point you're trying to make to avoid sounding sexist, maybe that's because the point you're trying to make is sexist? 

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Sorry, but I don't understand how equality is bad. Your view that a woman should be a homemaker is something that sounds like it came straight from the 50's. I believe that any person should be able to do what they want with their life. For example, in my family, my father stays home and cares for the family, while my mother works. Yes men and women are different, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be extended the same opportunities.




well. I sort of agree, though I think your descriptions are kinda harsh.

Our society was better off when one parent stayed home. Now, in a completely general manner, yes I would agree that women are better at "nurturing" than men are. They are more sympathetic and patient. Not to mention that when a child is still drinking breast milk that is kinda impossible for a man.

However, this is clearly only a generalization. There are plenty of people out there that this opposite for. My wife works right now, as do I. However, our goal is that by the end of summer when our boys will begin in pre-k and K1 she will be able to quit and stay home. She is highly educated and a very self supporting woman. However, she would rather be a homemaker and always be there for the kids. I on the other had have absolutely no desire to do that role. I think it is actually harder than my full time job and am glad that she would want it. Now she has a friend who is the exact opposite. Her husband doesn't want to work and would rather stay home. That is what they do. He is still a man's man in every way. Just would rather be home, cleaning, dealing with the kid's and their school etc.

The real goal shouldn't be that women stay home, but that someone does. Our society should revert to a time when it was capable of having a decent one income home situation.