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hunter_alien on 29 October 2012
disolitude said:
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selnor said:
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I think Surface Pro will have someting to say about that. Basically the only tablet which can fully function with any business.

A few million Pro tablets might sell to businesses next year but that's still not enough to become relevant or earn more than a measly 5% when ipad and Android commands 45% respectively.

We will see in a years time. Apple and Android will not have that marketshare next year guaranteed. Hell like I said already Microsoft have more partners than Google for their OS on Tablets.

It doesn't mean anything that other vendors are making Surface powered tablets. Just look at Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone 8. The same could be argued there, all the big guys made (and are still making) Windows Phones. And yet it is dead.

Think of it this way. MS is launching two tablets, the RT and the Pro. They have invested heavily in both, in marketing and otherwise.

And we already know the RT has failed and failed big time. It's the new Zune. No one wants it. So why on earth do you think that the delayed one of the two devices will somehow magically become a success?`When the market is heading towads $300 and $400 tablets you believe the $800 tablet will have any chance?


What basis has it failed?

Seriously. It is sold out before launch. Now its sold out for its next batch. Where does that mean failed????

Admit that even you feel it in your spine that RT will fail bigtime.

Have you asked yourself why the Surface only was released to official Microsoft stores and online? How pathetic is that! Have you ever seen a Microsoft store? I would bet you haven't, since there are only 31 Microsoft Stores in the whole world.

With this statement I am pretty sure you're not really grasping the big picture here...

The reason why Surface has only been released to the Microsoft store and is smaller numbers is because microsoft does not want Surface to sell crazy numbers. You see, Acer, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, HP, LG, Sony, Toshiba and anyone else that sells a windows 7, windows 8 laptop pays microsoft 60 dollars for each Windows license they purchase.  On top of that Office makes a killing for Microsoft as well.

With the Surface, Microsoft is giving Office away and is probably selling it for less profit than they would get for a regular, $399 Acer laptop. Not to mention that they have to keep their partners happy and not cut in to their tiny profit margins by stealing their lunch with their own tablet which makes them less money then an OEM sold device.

Your doom and gloom is totally unjustified here. Face it, Surface did exactly what they wanted it to do as is already a success. Its goal was to create Windows 8 awareness and a buzz...and here we are talking about it.  

 

Oh yes, buzz it did create, but Im not certain that the kind MS wanted it to.

And your logic, about MS wanting to let breathing space for manufacturers... are you serious? Do you really believe that these products should even be able to canibalize eachother? From where Im standing they are offered to two tottally separate user groups, and lets face it, from the early buzz W8 will not be the next XP or 7, and the tablet market is lost. We dont even need a to wait a year to see how fast the popularity of W8 based tablets will fall, we will only have to wait untill January, when all of us will see that the cheaper Android tablets and the 2NEW IPAD DEVICES will utterly humiliate MS.

Zune yet again, and the only successfull hardware made by MS is the glitch, that is the 360.

Nah you're wrong...about pretty much everything, but expecially about the whole "not the next XP or 7" comment.

Read this and then feel free to post again - http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-is-the-new-xp-7000006095/

 

 

So you are attacking my opinion with an opinion piece? How totally unfair and unbiased you are, my dear sir!

Im pretty much wrong about everything, yet Im ready to take a bet on it. With every minute that passes Apple and Google are eating away at the tablet market, and MS arrives 3 year late with a questionable (content wise) tablet, and you expect it to fly off shelves at the ridiculously high price point, when anyone could easily buy a quality 200$ Android tablet, or if they have the money, the far more established iPad.

No sir, the MS Deffence Force is wrong this time around, and like it or not Office is not a tablet tool, and it will barely move any units on its own. Dead product, that will only live on for a couple of year, because MS has the power to bully retailers to stock them



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Argh_College on 29 October 2012
hunter_alien said:
disolitude said:
hunter_alien said:
disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:
selnor said:
Slimebeast said:
selnor said:
Slimebeast said:
selnor said:


I think Surface Pro will have someting to say about that. Basically the only tablet which can fully function with any business.

A few million Pro tablets might sell to businesses next year but that's still not enough to become relevant or earn more than a measly 5% when ipad and Android commands 45% respectively.

We will see in a years time. Apple and Android will not have that marketshare next year guaranteed. Hell like I said already Microsoft have more partners than Google for their OS on Tablets.

It doesn't mean anything that other vendors are making Surface powered tablets. Just look at Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone 8. The same could be argued there, all the big guys made (and are still making) Windows Phones. And yet it is dead.

Think of it this way. MS is launching two tablets, the RT and the Pro. They have invested heavily in both, in marketing and otherwise.

And we already know the RT has failed and failed big time. It's the new Zune. No one wants it. So why on earth do you think that the delayed one of the two devices will somehow magically become a success?`When the market is heading towads $300 and $400 tablets you believe the $800 tablet will have any chance?


What basis has it failed?

Seriously. It is sold out before launch. Now its sold out for its next batch. Where does that mean failed????

Admit that even you feel it in your spine that RT will fail bigtime.

Have you asked yourself why the Surface only was released to official Microsoft stores and online? How pathetic is that! Have you ever seen a Microsoft store? I would bet you haven't, since there are only 31 Microsoft Stores in the whole world.

With this statement I am pretty sure you're not really grasping the big picture here...

The reason why Surface has only been released to the Microsoft store and is smaller numbers is because microsoft does not want Surface to sell crazy numbers. You see, Acer, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, HP, LG, Sony, Toshiba and anyone else that sells a windows 7, windows 8 laptop pays microsoft 60 dollars for each Windows license they purchase.  On top of that Office makes a killing for Microsoft as well.

With the Surface, Microsoft is giving Office away and is probably selling it for less profit than they would get for a regular, $399 Acer laptop. Not to mention that they have to keep their partners happy and not cut in to their tiny profit margins by stealing their lunch with their own tablet which makes them less money then an OEM sold device.

Your doom and gloom is totally unjustified here. Face it, Surface did exactly what they wanted it to do as is already a success. Its goal was to create Windows 8 awareness and a buzz...and here we are talking about it.  

 

Oh yes, buzz it did create, but Im not certain that the kind MS wanted it to.

And your logic, about MS wanting to let breathing space for manufacturers... are you serious? Do you really believe that these products should even be able to canibalize eachother? From where Im standing they are offered to two tottally separate user groups, and lets face it, from the early buzz W8 will not be the next XP or 7, and the tablet market is lost. We dont even need a to wait a year to see how fast the popularity of W8 based tablets will fall, we will only have to wait untill January, when all of us will see that the cheaper Android tablets and the 2NEW IPAD DEVICES will utterly humiliate MS.

Zune yet again, and the only successfull hardware made by MS is the glitch, that is the 360.

Nah you're wrong...about pretty much everything, but expecially about the whole "not the next XP or 7" comment.

Read this and then feel free to post again - http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-is-the-new-xp-7000006095/

 

 

So you are attacking my opinion with an opinion piece? How totally unfair and unbiased you are, my dear sir!

Im pretty much wrong about everything, yet Im ready to take a bet on it. With every minute that passes Apple and Google are eating away at the tablet market, and MS arrives 3 year late with a questionable (content wise) tablet, and you expect it to fly off shelves at the ridiculously high price point, when anyone could easily buy a quality 200$ Android tablet, or if they have the money, the far more established iPad.

No sir, the MS Deffence Force is wrong this time around, and like it or not Office is not a tablet tool, and it will barely move any units on its own. Dead product, that will only live on for a couple of year, because MS has the power to bully retailers to stock them

Windows is way too big to Tablets NOT sell...

They will sell milion of tablets just because they run Windows 8.

I still think LapTops and Pcs will dominate sales.



psrock on 29 October 2012

Android tablets have been a total failure minus the kindle line, but holds 40% of the market. It should not be too hard for Ms to be successful in that market. 



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Jaywood2010 on 29 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
Comments from a very select few who don't reflect the mass market.

selnor, you are trying your best at hyping this device but 6 months from now no one here on VGC will be talking about it because it's declared dead by then with less than 5% marketshare.


Windows 8 tablets in general will be huge.  Do you realize that 85% of the market for computers is 85% windows?  They are expecting 400 million Windows 8 computers to be sold next year so Windows 8 will be very recognized on tablets, phones, and computers.  In fact I bet you are using a Windows product right now?




       

Vertigo-X on 29 October 2012
Slimebeast said:

It doesn't mean anything that other vendors are making Surface powered tablets. Just look at Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone 8. The same could be argued there, all the big guys made (and are still making) Windows Phones. And yet it is dead.

Think of it this way. MS is launching two tablets, the RT and the Pro. They have invested heavily in both, in marketing and otherwise.

And we already know the RT has failed and failed big time. It's the new Zune. No one wants it. So why on earth do you think that the delayed one of the two devices will somehow magically become a success?`When the market is heading towads $300 and $400 tablets you believe the $800 tablet will have any chance?


First bold: Lulz. Wut.

 

Windows Phone isn't dead; WP8 just launched today.

 

Second bold: Wishful thinking, methinks. I mean really: you seem to be under the impression that your opinion is fact.

 

Really, slimebeast, really?



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disolitude on 29 October 2012
hunter_alien said:

 

 

So you are attacking my opinion with an opinion piece? How totally unfair and unbiased you are, my dear sir!

Im pretty much wrong about everything, yet Im ready to take a bet on it. With every minute that passes Apple and Google are eating away at the tablet market, and MS arrives 3 year late with a questionable (content wise) tablet, and you expect it to fly off shelves at the ridiculously high price point, when anyone could easily buy a quality 200$ Android tablet, or if they have the money, the far more established iPad.

No sir, the MS Deffence Force is wrong this time around, and like it or not Office is not a tablet tool, and it will barely move any units on its own. Dead product, that will only live on for a couple of year, because MS has the power to bully retailers to stock them


I crated a thread the other day salmming the Surface, so I'm hardly defending it or Microsoft. - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=149082&page=1

I am not getting one as I want the full Windows 8 experience, but I am able to recognize a successful launch when I see one.

An x86 Windows 8 tablet like surface will OWN the business market when it comes out, no matter what the price point is. My company has already ordered 10 Windows 8 tablets even before anyone in the upper management knew what they are going to be like. Today all I'm hearing is "MS Surface! MS Surface!" so they will most likely order a lot more and we are hardly the only ones doing this. 

As far as consumers, go to your best buy or Staples and take a look how hard these devices are being pushed and at what price points. Every laptop, touch screen or not has been upgraded to Windows 8 and some even start at $249. 



joesampson on 29 October 2012

I went to the Microsoft store yesterday and played with it for a while. Meh. I'm really not a fan of windows 8 and the surface wasn't all that impressive.



Slimebeast on 29 October 2012
JayWood2010 said:
Slimebeast said:
Comments from a very select few who don't reflect the mass market.

selnor, you are trying your best at hyping this device but 6 months from now no one here on VGC will be talking about it because it's declared dead by then with less than 5% marketshare.


Windows 8 tablets in general will be huge.  Do you realize that 85% of the market for computers is 85% windows?  They are expecting 400 million Windows 8 computers to be sold next year so Windows 8 will be very recognized on tablets, phones, and computers.  In fact I bet you are using a Windows product right now?

Microsoft has been selling hundreds of millions of operating systems every year since the freaking 80's so even an ape knows they will do so in 2013 as well. But did that make the original Xbox successful, or Zune successful or Windows Phone successful?

Yes of course I am using Windows since I am forced to since that's the only option if you want PC gaming.

But what happens when people have the choice to choose something else than Microsoft? They choose something else.



benao87 on 29 October 2012
ArnoldRimmer said:
selnor said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
May I suggest you start a new thread for every single positive article/news about just any product that is somehow related to Microsoft.
Oh wait, you're already doing that.

I wonder how you manage to find these positive articles though. When I quickly googled for early adopters reviews, all I came across were articles like "Why I'm returning my Surface RT" ( http://ozar.me/2012/10/why-im-returning-my-microsoft-surface-rt/ ), "Three days in the life of a once and former Microsoft Surface RT user" ( http://www.zdnet.com/three-days-in-the-life-of-a-once-and-former-microsoft-surface-rt-user-7000006421/ ).


ROFL. 1 link says page not found. 

The other goes to a news feed. 

You're probably using Microsoft Internet Explorer. ;)

Lol.

And some people should really trim those quotes trees.



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Slimebeast on 29 October 2012
Vertigo-X said:
Slimebeast said:

It doesn't mean anything that other vendors are making Surface powered tablets. Just look at Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone 8. The same could be argued there, all the big guys made (and are still making) Windows Phones. And yet it is dead.

Think of it this way. MS is launching two tablets, the RT and the Pro. They have invested heavily in both, in marketing and otherwise.

And we already know the RT has failed and failed big time. It's the new Zune. No one wants it. So why on earth do you think that the delayed one of the two devices will somehow magically become a success?`When the market is heading towads $300 and $400 tablets you believe the $800 tablet will have any chance?


First bold: Lulz. Wut.

 

Windows Phone isn't dead; WP8 just launched today.

 

Second bold: Wishful thinking, methinks. I mean really: you seem to be under the impression that your opinion is fact.

 

Really, slimebeast, really?

Windows Phone is dead. It's been on the market for over a year and achieved nothing.

In the last quarter (July-September 2012) Nokia, the biggest Windows Phone vendor by far, sold a measly 2.9 million Windows Phones at an average selling price of $200.

Meanwhile Apple sold 27 million iPhones at $650 a piece. That's 30 times more revenue for iPhones than Nokia Windows Phones. And let's not even mention profit margins, because they are non-existent on Windows Phones.

And Android smartphones sold even more.