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archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Mr Khan said:

There's a difference between paying for exclusivity and deliberately ignoring one of the major platform-holders. We're not entitled to every game, but we are entitled to all multiplat games, because there's no good reason for it to not go that way.

You're not entitled to anything made by a third party because you own a single console mate, that's the nature of being 'third party' - they're not tied to any specific platform and have relative freedom change their minds at any time. R* do not owe anything to owners of any specific platform. 

The only games you get to play on the Wii U are games Nintendo has secured and deemed fit for release. You're 'entitled' to those and those only. Same for any console. 

So, by your logic, PS3-only owners aren't entitled to the game either... after all, that's the nature of R* being 3rd party...

Face it:  The vast majority of 3rd party games today are multiplats; particularly one as big as GTA.  What he means by "entitled" is that there is no good reason why the game shouldn't release on WiiU as well (and I actually believe there is a good chance it will, albeit late).  If inferior versions of COD for Wii can break 1m in sales, there is little reason to assume that an on-par port of GTA5 for WiiU - one that would be a vastly easier port to boot - wouldn't sell enough to justify it.

Absolutey PS3 owners aren't entitled to their game. R* choose whichever platforms they want.

" What he means by "entitled" is that there is no good reason why the game shouldn't release on WiiU as well"

Well that's a whole other issue, and incorrect too.



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oniyide said:
archbrix said:
oniyide said:
@Mr. Khan people who want GTA have made their console choice years ago...

I agree that the majority certainly have, but you do realize that tens of thousands of people around the world every day are buying their first games console, don't you?

Considering that GTA5 isn't even released yet, it's not absurd to assume that many new console owners - yes, even potential WiiU owners - may have an interest in the game.

Very true, hence why they would probably opt for the PS360 and or PC if they wanted to play GTA. THis isnt some new franchise and people arent that ignorant. They know GTA and they know what consoles play those. Not saying that a Wii U wouldnt do ok.  

Right, but that's my point:  If that WiiU logo were on those GTA5 ads alongside PS360, it would at least give the console a fighting chance for a non-loyal, new console buyer who is interested in the game to buy one.  

Instead, this consumer will just assume that the game isn't coming to WiiU, and it also makes a statement for future 3rd party offerings for the console; that's what I'm more concerned with as I don't personally care about GTA, but in obtaining it, it bodes well for WiiU's future with other 3rd parties.



Sal.Paradise said:
archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Mr Khan said:

There's a difference between paying for exclusivity and deliberately ignoring one of the major platform-holders. We're not entitled to every game, but we are entitled to all multiplat games, because there's no good reason for it to not go that way.

You're not entitled to anything made by a third party because you own a single console mate, that's the nature of being 'third party' - they're not tied to any specific platform and have relative freedom change their minds at any time. R* do not owe anything to owners of any specific platform. 

The only games you get to play on the Wii U are games Nintendo has secured and deemed fit for release. You're 'entitled' to those and those only. Same for any console. 

So, by your logic, PS3-only owners aren't entitled to the game either... after all, that's the nature of R* being 3rd party...

Face it:  The vast majority of 3rd party games today are multiplats; particularly one as big as GTA.  What he means by "entitled" is that there is no good reason why the game shouldn't release on WiiU as well (and I actually believe there is a good chance it will, albeit late).  If inferior versions of COD for Wii can break 1m in sales, there is little reason to assume that an on-par port of GTA5 for WiiU - one that would be a vastly easier port to boot - wouldn't sell enough to justify it.

Absolutey PS3 owners aren't entitled to their game. R* choose whichever platforms they want.

" What he means by "entitled" is that there is no good reason why the game shouldn't release on WiiU as well"

Well that's a whole other issue, and incorrect too.

When 95% of all 3rd party offerings are multiplats, don't pretend like it wouldn't be huge injustice if the game didn't also release for PS3. 

Regarding your second point, while "entitled" may not have been the best word to use, the fact that there's no good reason still stands, so it's not incorrect at all.



Scisca said:
archbrix said:
oniyide said:
@Mr. Khan people who want GTA have made their console choice years ago...

I agree that the majority certainly have, but you do realize that tens of thousands of people around the world every day are buying their first games console, don't you?

Considering that GTA5 isn't even released yet, it's not absurd to assume that many new console owners - yes, even potential WiiU owners - may have an interest in the game.

You are aware, that releasing games is no charity? It's a business. R* want to make money. They don't care if Wii U manages to convice core gamers to itself or not. They just think about themselves, as it should be. I think that they will release a Wii U port later with the PC version. If not to sell many copies, then just to get some experience making games for the Wii U. But until Wii U sells a respectable number of consoles, you can't really demand all games that are very expensive to make and traditionally don't sell on Nintendo consoles. Just consider Vita. It's just a business, so forget about emotional arguments about hatred, being prejudiced or screwing Nintendo over, cause it's childish. Think how many developers went bust in the last 2 years. You say R* is huge? Think about THQ. If going to Wii U pays, everybody will do it.

Where did you get this idea of charity from?  My response to Oni had nothing to do with what you addressed in your response...



archbrix said:
oniyide said:
archbrix said:
oniyide said:
@Mr. Khan people who want GTA have made their console choice years ago...

I agree that the majority certainly have, but you do realize that tens of thousands of people around the world every day are buying their first games console, don't you?

Considering that GTA5 isn't even released yet, it's not absurd to assume that many new console owners - yes, even potential WiiU owners - may have an interest in the game.

Very true, hence why they would probably opt for the PS360 and or PC if they wanted to play GTA. THis isnt some new franchise and people arent that ignorant. They know GTA and they know what consoles play those. Not saying that a Wii U wouldnt do ok.  

Right, but that's my point:  If that WiiU logo were on those GTA5 ads alongside PS360, it would at least give the console a fighting chance for a non-loyal, new console buyer who is interested in the game to buy one.  

Instead, this consumer will just assume that the game isn't coming to WiiU, and it also makes a statement for future 3rd party offerings for the console; that's what I'm more concerned with as I don't personally care about GTA, but in obtaining it, it bodes well for WiiU's future with other 3rd parties.

Thats just it, R* doesnt give a crap about giving Wii U a fighting chance. And they shouldnt, its not their responsibility.

Again, thats not R* responsibility, and besides this isnt the Wii. Wii U is already getting better 3rd party support. Wii U is GOING to miss some games, thats just the way it is.



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archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Mr Khan said:

There's a difference between paying for exclusivity and deliberately ignoring one of the major platform-holders. We're not entitled to every game, but we are entitled to all multiplat games, because there's no good reason for it to not go that way.

You're not entitled to anything made by a third party because you own a single console mate, that's the nature of being 'third party' - they're not tied to any specific platform and have relative freedom change their minds at any time. R* do not owe anything to owners of any specific platform. 

The only games you get to play on the Wii U are games Nintendo has secured and deemed fit for release. You're 'entitled' to those and those only. Same for any console. 

So, by your logic, PS3-only owners aren't entitled to the game either... after all, that's the nature of R* being 3rd party...

Face it:  The vast majority of 3rd party games today are multiplats; particularly one as big as GTA.  What he means by "entitled" is that there is no good reason why the game shouldn't release on WiiU as well (and I actually believe there is a good chance it will, albeit late).  If inferior versions of COD for Wii can break 1m in sales, there is little reason to assume that an on-par port of GTA5 for WiiU - one that would be a vastly easier port to boot - wouldn't sell enough to justify it.

Absolutey PS3 owners aren't entitled to their game. R* choose whichever platforms they want.

" What he means by "entitled" is that there is no good reason why the game shouldn't release on WiiU as well"

Well that's a whole other issue, and incorrect too.

When 95% of all 3rd party offerings are multiplats, don't pretend like it wouldn't be huge injustice if the game didn't also release for PS3. 

Regarding your second point, while "entitled" may not have been the best word to use, the fact that there's no good reason still stands, so it's not incorrect at all.

Injustice? Lol. It would be unexpected and it would annoy me. But at no point am I entitled to receive their game. Don't try and make this into something it isn't!

No, there are plausible reasons why they would not release it on the Wii U. If you can't think of one, you are not trying hard enough. 



oniyide said:
archbrix said:
oniyide said:
archbrix said:
oniyide said:
@Mr. Khan people who want GTA have made their console choice years ago...

I agree that the majority certainly have, but you do realize that tens of thousands of people around the world every day are buying their first games console, don't you?

Considering that GTA5 isn't even released yet, it's not absurd to assume that many new console owners - yes, even potential WiiU owners - may have an interest in the game.

Very true, hence why they would probably opt for the PS360 and or PC if they wanted to play GTA. THis isnt some new franchise and people arent that ignorant. They know GTA and they know what consoles play those. Not saying that a Wii U wouldnt do ok.  

Right, but that's my point:  If that WiiU logo were on those GTA5 ads alongside PS360, it would at least give the console a fighting chance for a non-loyal, new console buyer who is interested in the game to buy one.  

Instead, this consumer will just assume that the game isn't coming to WiiU, and it also makes a statement for future 3rd party offerings for the console; that's what I'm more concerned with as I don't personally care about GTA, but in obtaining it, it bodes well for WiiU's future with other 3rd parties.

Thats just it, R* doesnt give a crap about giving Wii U a fighting chance. And they shouldnt, its not their responsibility.

Again, thats not R* responsibility, and besides this isnt the Wii. Wii U is already getting better 3rd party support. Wii U is GOING to miss some games, thats just the way it is.

I'm not necessarily pointing the finger at R* as to why it's not launching on WiiU alongside the other versions.  My point is that there's no good reason for it as the system is certainly capable of running it. 

Typically, 3rd parties welcome multiplatform environments as it means more sales for them - assuming the porting process is easy (which it supposedly is fairly easy for WiiU).



Sal.Paradise said:
archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Mr Khan said:

There's a difference between paying for exclusivity and deliberately ignoring one of the major platform-holders. We're not entitled to every game, but we are entitled to all multiplat games, because there's no good reason for it to not go that way.

You're not entitled to anything made by a third party because you own a single console mate, that's the nature of being 'third party' - they're not tied to any specific platform and have relative freedom change their minds at any time. R* do not owe anything to owners of any specific platform. 

The only games you get to play on the Wii U are games Nintendo has secured and deemed fit for release. You're 'entitled' to those and those only. Same for any console. 

So, by your logic, PS3-only owners aren't entitled to the game either... after all, that's the nature of R* being 3rd party...

Face it:  The vast majority of 3rd party games today are multiplats; particularly one as big as GTA.  What he means by "entitled" is that there is no good reason why the game shouldn't release on WiiU as well (and I actually believe there is a good chance it will, albeit late).  If inferior versions of COD for Wii can break 1m in sales, there is little reason to assume that an on-par port of GTA5 for WiiU - one that would be a vastly easier port to boot - wouldn't sell enough to justify it.

Absolutey PS3 owners aren't entitled to their game. R* choose whichever platforms they want.

" What he means by "entitled" is that there is no good reason why the game shouldn't release on WiiU as well"

Well that's a whole other issue, and incorrect too.

When 95% of all 3rd party offerings are multiplats, don't pretend like it wouldn't be huge injustice if the game didn't also release for PS3. 

Regarding your second point, while "entitled" may not have been the best word to use, the fact that there's no good reason still stands, so it's not incorrect at all.

Injustice? Lol. It would be unexpected and it would annoy me. But at no point am I entitled to receive their game. Don't try and make this into something it isn't!

No, there are plausible reasons why they would not release it on the Wii U. If you can't think of one, you are not trying hard enough. 

Lol, seriously?  You think it wouldn't raise any eyebrows other than people just being "annoyed" if the game didn't release on PS3?  Please.  And I'm not trying to make it into anything, so don't accuse me of that.  I'm pointing out your flawed reasoning over the semantics of "entitlement", and you know it.  Obviously nobody is literally "entitled" to anything, but it would be absurd if the game didn't release for PS3.  Period.



archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Injustice? Lol. It would be unexpected and it would annoy me. But at no point am I entitled to receive their game. Don't try and make this into something it isn't!

No, there are plausible reasons why they would not release it on the Wii U. If you can't think of one, you are not trying hard enough. 

Lol, seriously?  You think it wouldn't raise any eyebrows other than people just being "annoyed" if the game didn't release on PS3?  Please.  And I'm not trying to make it into anything, so don't accuse me of that.  I'm pointing out your flawed reasoning over the semantics of "entitlement", and you know it.  Obviously nobody is literally "entitled" to anything, but it would be absurd if the game only released for PS3.  Period.

 

I'm pointing out your flawed reasoning over the semantics of "entitlement", and you know it. 

I'm sorry Archbrix I have absolutely zero idea where you've done that.

You've told me it would be an 'injustice' if it didn't release on PS3 and now tell me about how that it would 'raise eyebrows' if it didn't release on that platform (that second part obviously true). But how on earth does that relate to PS3 gamers being 'entitled' to that game? How? 



Sal.Paradise said:
archbrix said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Injustice? Lol. It would be unexpected and it would annoy me. But at no point am I entitled to receive their game. Don't try and make this into something it isn't!

No, there are plausible reasons why they would not release it on the Wii U. If you can't think of one, you are not trying hard enough. 

Lol, seriously?  You think it wouldn't raise any eyebrows other than people just being "annoyed" if the game didn't release on PS3?  Please.  And I'm not trying to make it into anything, so don't accuse me of that.  I'm pointing out your flawed reasoning over the semantics of "entitlement", and you know it.  Obviously nobody is literally "entitled" to anything, but it would be absurd if the game only released for PS3.  Period.

 

I'm pointing out your flawed reasoning over the semantics of "entitlement", and you know it. 

I'm sorry Archbrix I have absolutely zero idea where you've done that.

You've told me it would be an 'injustice' if it didn't release on PS3 and now tell me about how that it would 'raise eyebrows' if it didn't release on that platform (that second part obviously true). But how on earth does that relate to PS3 gamers being 'entitled' to that game? How? 

*sigh*

Alright, this is my last response on the matter.  You are absolutely right that the word "entitled" is not what Mr. Khan should have used, which I've already conceded.  But again, his point goes deeper than the literal definition of the word.

I'm not accusing R* of hating Nintendo, if that's what you aim to accuse me of, and I'm not totally ruling it out either.  What I'm saying is that if Ubisoft and Activision can bring their games to WiiU - which has an install base of zero (or 400,000+ if you count pre-orders) - there is no reason why R* can't port GTA5 to the console as well.  Obviously R*/T2 want to make money, and based on what I've heard regarding how many copies they'd have to sell to make it a worthwhile endeavor, they would almost certainly be able to profit, and I think there's a good chance it'll come eventually.