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Slimebeast on 27 October 2012
Squilliam said:
Windows 8 is pretty good value. On the high end by the time you get an iPad with 64GB of space and 4G support you can pretty much get a significantly higher performance Pro tablet with way better specs and storage. On the low end of the scale you can get something which runs a lot better than Android.

In the mid range the Surface offers a pretty decent value compared to the iPad. The device itself definitely has some strong pros such as the built in kickstand and touch cover even if the device itself doesn't match the specs of the iPad it is reasonably close enough.

The only problem really is the low end as there really isn't a 'great' competent tablet in the market to compete with the 7" Androids and 7.9" iPad mini.

Overall I suspect that Windows RT is more of a problem for Android market share than Apples given that it is a more competent alternative.

On a different note, since you are familiar with memory prices and tech details, can you explain why the Surface 64GB version costs $699 compared to $499 for the 32GB? How much of that difference ( -- what the hell is the right word to use here? -- ) is explained by the bigger memory and how much by the other features (Touch cover and stuff)?

What I'm getting at is that isn't a 16GB flash memory module supposed to be dirty cheap by now?



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Slimebeast on 27 October 2012
selnor said:
Slimebeast said:
kowenicki said:
Slimebeast said:

As a reference iPad is +50% of marketshare on a ~100 million devices per year market. Android based manufacturers shares the rest.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/25/strategy-analytics-claims-android-reached-41-percent-of-tablets/

Microsoft marketshare in tablets will be above 5% easily next year.  easily. 

You seem to be on some kind of crusade here... who are you trying to convince?  You are coming across as pretty desperate... relax.  

I don't think I am desperate when I come with hard facts and predictions grounded in reason.

5% or slightly above in marketshare in 2013 will still be seen as a failure for Windows tablets. Only 1/10th of Apple.

But without being horrible your predictions arent grounded in reason. 

Why?

Microsoft have never made an attempt in te tablet market where your figures come from. They actually mean nothing concerning what is about to play out.

This is the first time Microsoft has made Windows into a full fledged Tablet OS. And the first time Microsfot have made there own hardware where there flagship OS is pushed.

On top of that Surface RT was sold out before it went on sale.

The table I posted with current tablet marketshares was for reference only, mainly to give perspective to the rumour of 3-5 million Surface devices being shipped in the first quarter. I simply wanted to show the size of the total tablet market to give it context.

Yes, Surface RT was sold out - out of a very limited initial batch. If the pre-order shipment was only say 20,000 to North America we shouldn't be impressed that it was sold out - we should be worried why MS supply constrained them on purpose.



selnor on 27 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
selnor said:
Slimebeast said:
kowenicki said:
Slimebeast said:

As a reference iPad is +50% of marketshare on a ~100 million devices per year market. Android based manufacturers shares the rest.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/25/strategy-analytics-claims-android-reached-41-percent-of-tablets/

Microsoft marketshare in tablets will be above 5% easily next year.  easily. 

You seem to be on some kind of crusade here... who are you trying to convince?  You are coming across as pretty desperate... relax.  

I don't think I am desperate when I come with hard facts and predictions grounded in reason.

5% or slightly above in marketshare in 2013 will still be seen as a failure for Windows tablets. Only 1/10th of Apple.

But without being horrible your predictions arent grounded in reason. 

Why?

Microsoft have never made an attempt in te tablet market where your figures come from. They actually mean nothing concerning what is about to play out.

This is the first time Microsoft has made Windows into a full fledged Tablet OS. And the first time Microsfot have made there own hardware where there flagship OS is pushed.

On top of that Surface RT was sold out before it went on sale.

The table I posted with current tablet marketshares was for reference only, mainly to give perspective to the rumour of 3-5 million Surface devices being shipped in the first quarter. I simply wanted to show the size of the total tablet market to give it context.

Yes, Surface RT was sold out - out of a very limited initial batch. If the pre-order shipment was only say 20,000 to North America we shouldn't be impressed that it was sold out - we should be worried why MS supply constrained them on purpose.

Your doing what everyone here at VGC does. 

Oh Halo sales are overtracked. 360 sales are duplicates. Microsoft must have constrained sales. Its really bad what this portrays as fact.

Im gonna laugh my arse off when te marketsare of Windows 8/Android/IOS is released in Q3.



Slimebeast on 27 October 2012
selnor said:
Slimebeast said:
selnor said:
Slimebeast said:

I don't think I am desperate when I come with hard facts and predictions grounded in reason.

5% or slightly above in marketshare in 2013 will still be seen as a failure for Windows tablets. Only 1/10th of Apple.

But without being horrible your predictions arent grounded in reason. 

Why?

Microsoft have never made an attempt in te tablet market where your figures come from. They actually mean nothing concerning what is about to play out.

This is the first time Microsoft has made Windows into a full fledged Tablet OS. And the first time Microsfot have made there own hardware where there flagship OS is pushed.

On top of that Surface RT was sold out before it went on sale.

The table I posted with current tablet marketshares was for reference only, mainly to give perspective to the rumour of 3-5 million Surface devices being shipped in the first quarter. I simply wanted to show the size of the total tablet market to give it context.

Yes, Surface RT was sold out - out of a very limited initial batch. If the pre-order shipment was only say 20,000 to North America we shouldn't be impressed that it was sold out - we should be worried why MS supply constrained them on purpose.

Your doing what everyone here at VGC does. 

Oh Halo sales are overtracked. 360 sales are duplicates. Microsoft must have constrained sales. Its really bad what this portrays as fact.

Im gonna laugh my arse off when te marketsare of Windows 8/Android/IOS is released in Q3.

But please don't dismiss me like that. It was you who came with your 5 million already sold and I debunked it. 3-5 million Windows Tablets are rumoured to ship in the whole Q. What has sold so far we do not know, but it could be a relly small number to boost pre-release hype.

BTW, you mean Q4, right? Because Q3 has passed already.



Squilliam on 27 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:
Windows 8 is pretty good value. On the high end by the time you get an iPad with 64GB of space and 4G support you can pretty much get a significantly higher performance Pro tablet with way better specs and storage. On the low end of the scale you can get something which runs a lot better than Android.

In the mid range the Surface offers a pretty decent value compared to the iPad. The device itself definitely has some strong pros such as the built in kickstand and touch cover even if the device itself doesn't match the specs of the iPad it is reasonably close enough.

The only problem really is the low end as there really isn't a 'great' competent tablet in the market to compete with the 7" Androids and 7.9" iPad mini.

Overall I suspect that Windows RT is more of a problem for Android market share than Apples given that it is a more competent alternative.

On a different note, since you are familiar with memory prices and tech details, can you explain why the Surface 64GB version costs $699 compared to $499 for the 32GB? How much of that difference ( -- what the hell is the right word to use here? -- ) is explained by the bigger memory and how much by the other features (Touch cover and stuff)?

What I'm getting at is that isn't a 16GB flash memory module supposed to be dirty cheap by now?

Well the number of chips are quite small so the size of the individual chips are huge and large flash chips tend to get expensive if they're higher quality. Costs scale by percentages too so a small change in manufacturing cost adds up to a big cost when they add their own margins and retailer margins on top of that. For instance laptops which cost hundreds of dollars more may only cost $70 extra in parts because it flows through as higher margins throughout the distribution chain.

Of course the other reason is that you can't buy it online without the touch cover, in retail it'll probably be a little cheaper as they don't give you that many options to start with like switching the touch for a type cover.



Tease.

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selnor on 27 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
selnor said:
Slimebeast said:
selnor said:
Slimebeast said:

I don't think I am desperate when I come with hard facts and predictions grounded in reason.

5% or slightly above in marketshare in 2013 will still be seen as a failure for Windows tablets. Only 1/10th of Apple.

But without being horrible your predictions arent grounded in reason. 

Why?

Microsoft have never made an attempt in te tablet market where your figures come from. They actually mean nothing concerning what is about to play out.

This is the first time Microsoft has made Windows into a full fledged Tablet OS. And the first time Microsfot have made there own hardware where there flagship OS is pushed.

On top of that Surface RT was sold out before it went on sale.

The table I posted with current tablet marketshares was for reference only, mainly to give perspective to the rumour of 3-5 million Surface devices being shipped in the first quarter. I simply wanted to show the size of the total tablet market to give it context.

Yes, Surface RT was sold out - out of a very limited initial batch. If the pre-order shipment was only say 20,000 to North America we shouldn't be impressed that it was sold out - we should be worried why MS supply constrained them on purpose.

Your doing what everyone here at VGC does. 

Oh Halo sales are overtracked. 360 sales are duplicates. Microsoft must have constrained sales. Its really bad what this portrays as fact.

Im gonna laugh my arse off when te marketsare of Windows 8/Android/IOS is released in Q3.

But please don't dismiss me like that. It was you who came with your 5 million already sold and I debunked it. 3-5 million Windows Tablets are planned to ship in the Q. What has sold so far we do not know, but it could be a relly small number to boost pre-release hype.

BTW, you mean Q4, right? Because Q3 has passed already.

I was refferring to next Q3. 

And I didnt dismiss you. You stated and I quote " We should be worried why Microsoft supply constrained them on purpose."

The same usual BS that gets said about any great Microsoft figures here on VGC.



Slimebeast on 27 October 2012
Squilliam said:
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:
Windows 8 is pretty good value. On the high end by the time you get an iPad with 64GB of space and 4G support you can pretty much get a significantly higher performance Pro tablet with way better specs and storage. On the low end of the scale you can get something which runs a lot better than Android.

In the mid range the Surface offers a pretty decent value compared to the iPad. The device itself definitely has some strong pros such as the built in kickstand and touch cover even if the device itself doesn't match the specs of the iPad it is reasonably close enough.

The only problem really is the low end as there really isn't a 'great' competent tablet in the market to compete with the 7" Androids and 7.9" iPad mini.

Overall I suspect that Windows RT is more of a problem for Android market share than Apples given that it is a more competent alternative.

On a different note, since you are familiar with memory prices and tech details, can you explain why the Surface 64GB version costs $699 compared to $499 for the 32GB? How much of that difference ( -- what the hell is the right word to use here? -- ) is explained by the bigger memory and how much by the other features (Touch cover and stuff)?

What I'm getting at is that isn't a 16GB flash memory module supposed to be dirty cheap by now?

Well the number of chips are quite small so the size of the individual chips are huge and large flash chips tend to get expensive if they're higher quality. Costs scale by percentages too so a small change in manufacturing cost adds up to a big cost when they add their own margins and retailer margins on top of that. For instance laptops which cost hundreds of dollars more may only cost $70 extra in parts because it flows through as higher margins throughout the distribution chain.

Of course the other reason is that you can't buy it online without the touch cover, in retail it'll probably be a little cheaper as they don't give you that many options to start with like switching the touch for a type cover.

Oh ok. Weird.

And basically what follows from this is that my dream of getting games for nextgen Xbox to be stored and sold on SD cards or some similar flash memory, is unrealistic because of price and size?



Slimebeast on 27 October 2012
selnor said:
Slimebeast said:
selnor said:

Your doing what everyone here at VGC does. 

Oh Halo sales are overtracked. 360 sales are duplicates. Microsoft must have constrained sales. Its really bad what this portrays as fact.

Im gonna laugh my arse off when te marketsare of Windows 8/Android/IOS is released in Q3.

But please don't dismiss me like that. It was you who came with your 5 million already sold and I debunked it. 3-5 million Windows Tablets are planned to ship in the Q. What has sold so far we do not know, but it could be a relly small number to boost pre-release hype.

BTW, you mean Q4, right? Because Q3 has passed already.

I was refferring to next Q3. 

When is next Q3? You mean a year from, now? What marketshare numbers are you referring to btw?



NobleTeam360 on 27 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Slimebeast said:
Argh_College said:
Slimebeast said:

I don't think I am desperate when I come with hard facts and predictions grounded in reason.

5% or slightly above in marketshare in 2013 will still be seen as a failure for Windows tablets. Only 1/10th of Apple.

What are you truing to achieve here ?? LOL

ofc it wont get 100000% market share mainly because ipad has been available for years so its normal they have sold trilions of those things... Windows Tablets will steal marketshare and over the years will reign supreme. Not in the 1st year ofc althought they will easilly outsell all the ipads next year. But wont outsell Ipad LT sales in the 1st year, thats impossible. But it will happen, i give it 3 years (max) to that happen.

it will look something like this in the future:

Windows Tablets >>> Android Tablets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ipad.

Make sure you get ready to be sad... very sad because Microsoft will own everything in just a few years... 

Long Live Microsoft <3

I don't think you are serious. No one loves Microsoft that much. You are just doing this for the lulz.


I support MS more than i would support Apple (never) or Android ( one or two purchases)

Yeah but you still wouldn't make highly unrealistic predictions, such as claiming that windows tablets will easily outsell the iPad after just one year on the market or saying that "MS will own everything in just a few years".

I don't know who would make that kind of crazy prediction but within a few years it's certainly possible for Windows tablets to overtake the number of Ipads sold. 



selnor on 27 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
selnor said:
Slimebeast said:
selnor said:

Your doing what everyone here at VGC does. 

Oh Halo sales are overtracked. 360 sales are duplicates. Microsoft must have constrained sales. Its really bad what this portrays as fact.

Im gonna laugh my arse off when te marketsare of Windows 8/Android/IOS is released in Q3.

But please don't dismiss me like that. It was you who came with your 5 million already sold and I debunked it. 3-5 million Windows Tablets are planned to ship in the Q. What has sold so far we do not know, but it could be a relly small number to boost pre-release hype.

BTW, you mean Q4, right? Because Q3 has passed already.

I was refferring to next Q3. 

When is next Q3? You mean a year from, now? What marketshare numbers are you referring to btw?

Next year September?

Marketshare of all Windows 8 tablets vs all Android tablets vs all Ipad tablets. Sold from now till then. 

Obviously Its impossible for Windows 8 tablets to sell as many as the rest have LT, but like for like Marketshare from now I truly believe Windows 8 tablets will boom. Because desktop PC's can acces the exact same Marketplace as the tablets that means essentially within 1-2 years developers of apps will have the biggest userbase on Windows Marketplace. With possibly 4-600,000 users. 

This will help the tablet space ( and the WP8 space as it also runs on the same architecture meaning ports are next to no extra work ) because the Marketplace is going to skyrocket.