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Viper1 on 23 October 2012
JEMC said:

I really don't know what to think about that article, mostly because it contradicts itself.

"I'm super excited whenever we demo the Wii U," Hutchinson said. "It is exactly the same game that's on the other platforms. And I know that sounds ridiculous, but it's been a long time since I've shipped a game on more than three platforms where you could say it's all the same. It's not like some radically diminished version, so that's exciting."

The key words are exactly and radically.

That "radically" seems to imply that it is a diminished version, but the differences aren't noticeable.

But that "exactly" says that it is the same game.

The pessimistic in me, reinforced by the past news about AC 3 on WiiU, thinks that it will be the same game content wise (except for the 4 exclusive missions on PS3), but graphically it won't be the same as the others. It won't look worse, but it will lack something.

He's comparing it to the Wii and how games had to be radically altered for it.  



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JEMC on 23 October 2012
Viper1 said:
JEMC said:

I really don't know what to think about that article, mostly because it contradicts itself.

"I'm super excited whenever we demo the Wii U," Hutchinson said. "It is exactly the same game that's on the other platforms. And I know that sounds ridiculous, but it's been a long time since I've shipped a game on more than three platforms where you could say it's all the same. It's not like some radically diminished version, so that's exciting."

The key words are exactly and radically.

That "radically" seems to imply that it is a diminished version, but the differences aren't noticeable.

But that "exactly" says that it is the same game.

The pessimistic in me, reinforced by the past news about AC 3 on WiiU, thinks that it will be the same game content wise (except for the 4 exclusive missions on PS3), but graphically it won't be the same as the others. It won't look worse, but it will lack something.

He's comparing it to the Wii and how games had to be radically altered for it.  

Do you really think so?

After all, no previous Assassins game was developed for the Wii (maybe internally they tried, but we don't know), so how can he make that comparison?



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JazzB1987 on 23 October 2012
wfz said:
mike_intellivision said:
Because at launch it is on par with the HD consoles -- which is much better than what the Wii could show.
And remember early console titles often are not marked improvements over what people can do with the older machine after several years of practice. The jump from SD to HD meant quite a bit of changes in that regard, but it will be hard for the next generation to again achieve a quantum leap.

Mike from Morgantown


I've heard that argument a lot. I don't believe it, though. We've seen numerous screenshot comparisons from very early Xbox 360 titles compared to the regular Xbox, and outside of the few pictures where the 360 version looks like crap, the 360 version easily outclasses the Xbox version. And in previous generations, the jump was even more pronounced, wasn't it? We went from 8bit to 16bit, then to full 3d, and then to a much higher polished state of 3d (ps2,gc,xbox) and then to HD.

I do believe that graphical jumps are becoming less noticeable and less important for consumers, but it still boggles my mind that a developer sounds SO excited to run a game on new hardware exactly the same as they can run it on last gen's hardware.

Not even Nintendo is bothering to push their own hardware. You can argue that it's just the launch window, you can argue that the games (such as NSMB) don't need better graphics, but the truth is that the system is currently not showing anything substantial over these cheaper consoles that have a much larger library of titles. It'll be a while (if ever) for the Wii U to impress in that regard.


That really leaves all appeal down to the tablet controller. Which is fine, I suppose.


The difference is  XBOX = SD console with "almost no" effect the real world offers.      VS 360 = HD console with "almost all" the effect the real world offers.  

You know all the water effects lighting shadows fog, all the shaders etc  just look at BF3!

There will never ever be a generational leap like the one we had from XBOX to 360 because we already have most of the stuff that exists in reality.   We will refine it and make them more realistic etc but   that will never be such a WOW effect. As going from nothing to where we are now.

Btw IMHO Nintendo offers meh games at lauch to not steal the show for the third party but at the same time they still have something to offer to Nintendo fans.  Remember the 3ds launch disaster? No Nintendo game at all = bad idea.     And having Nintendo blockbusters at the launch = no chance for the third party.



pokoko on 23 October 2012
phenom08 said:

I did know what he meant, but now I see why you quoted me. Like I said, you guys feelings are just hurt. I answered the question in a way you didn't like and it probably burnt you up inside. Anyways I'm done with this thread so good day to you lol.

Edit: If it makes you happy, I edited some of my post, so they don't sound so angry or offensive.

Dude, what in the name of creation are you even talking about?  Why would I possibly have my feelings hurt?  I even agreed with what you were saying, it's just that it was not an answer for the question you were addressing, plus it was full of misplaced venom.  I don't even ...

Holy cats.  Just forget about it.  



VGKing on 23 October 2012

Who said the Wii U was so weak?
For a next-gen console, yes it is not that impressive. In fact Nintendo is playing it safe(again). But weak? Let's save those comment for when PS4 and XboxNext get released.



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Viper1 on 23 October 2012
JEMC said:
Viper1 said:

He's comparing it to the Wii and how games had to be radically altered for it.  

Do you really think so?

After all, no previous Assassins game was developed for the Wii (maybe internally they tried, but we don't know), so how can he make that comparison?

EA Montreal has developed 6 Wii games so they are familiar enough with the hardware to make such a statement. 

And I don't really think it's even necessary to have worked on Wii anyway as anyone in the industry would know the Wii is not on the same graphical level as the PS3/X360.  



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kitler53 on 23 October 2012
wfz said:
kitler53 said:
nintendo's leadership has made statements time and time and time again that raw power and graphics is not important to them. if you are expecting the wii U to be a significant leap over sony and MS then you fundamentally misunderstand nintendo,

There's a difference between graphics not being their focal point, and using similar graphical powers to the *last generation* of consoles. I suppose this trend really started when Iwata took the reigns, because every time I hear this argument I always think back to the older generations and dismiss your argument, but if we split Nintendo off into old vs new Nintendo, then the new Nintendo has thrived on giving power that is more similar to the previous generation. You're right.


you're point is well taken and as a result i updated my post to state "nintendo's current leadership".   wii might look like an exception nintendo's overall history but the leadership that created the wii is still leading nintendo and has been quite vocal out their stance on the subject of graphics -- it is a low priority.  they prioritize innovating the controller and the wiiU is no differnent in that nintendo's banking on the gamepad selling the system...not via raw power.



phenom08 on 23 October 2012
pokoko said:
phenom08 said:

I did know what he meant, but now I see why you quoted me. Like I said, you guys feelings are just hurt. I answered the question in a way you didn't like and it probably burnt you up inside. Anyways I'm done with this thread so good day to you lol.

Edit: If it makes you happy, I edited some of my post, so they don't sound so angry or offensive.

Dude, what in the name of creation are you even talking about?  Why would I possibly have my feelings hurt?  I even agreed with what you were saying, it's just that it was not an answer for the question you were addressing, plus it was full of misplaced venom.  I don't even ...

Holy cats.  Just forget about it.  

Do you know what saying someone is being insulting means?



pokoko on 23 October 2012
VGKing said:
Who said the Wii U was so weak?
For a next-gen console, yes it is not that impressive. In fact Nintendo is playing it safe(again). But weak? Let's save those comment for when PS4 and XboxNext get released.

I don't know that they're playing it safe as much as they had a budget goal and the production of the controller took more of that budget than is normal.  It's like the controller costs X amount, then they worked out the rest using the remaining budget.  If the controller hadn't been that expensive, then I'm sure they would have used higher valued internal components.  That's my theory anyway, though I suppose they could have gone for a lower price point instead.

Regardless, you're right, calling it weak at this point makes little sense, as it's obviously much more powerful than the current competition.  Will it be considered weak when the 360/PS4 are released?  We really have no idea.  It's possible that the Wii U will have built a big enough installed base by that point that it remains the lead console for 3rd party development, so even if it is weaker, multi-plats are going to look the same.  That said, I doubt it will have anything that touches the next gen Halo or Uncharted, but that's not really an important issue when dealing with exclusives.

The only problem will be if multi-platform titles leave the Wii U behind, or if it gets ports that are obviously inferior.  I doubt we'd see anything like that until late in the Wii U's life-cycle, though, if at all.  



phenom08 on 23 October 2012
pezus said:
phenom08 said:

Edit: I know that lol, how about you actually read the bolded. Nice try, like I said they would rather be successful. Thats what Ninty calls pushing their own hardware, not in graphical power.

Jesus, talk about spin...

That's not spin but whatever. Good day sir.