USA - militarism.
EU - Cut to zero. Abolish the EU.
USA - militarism.
EU - Cut to zero. Abolish the EU.
BlkPaladin said:
The problem is abuses to the system. And it costs money to add oversight to make sure these abuses are not being done. But in the long run it should save money. Something else that would save money is centralizing the oversight since right now their are several departments that watch Sallie Mae and a lot of times they don't agree so nothing gets done. And they don't want their powers taken from them.
Just to add to the above post, I see quite a few people come through and pay for McDonald's food with their welfare debit card. They are very noticeable . |
You'd think.... though not really.
Mostly because of where the subsidies go to...
they tend to go to crops when not used for food. Like Corn subsisdies for ethanol fuels.
Additionally other subsidies are supported by tariffs... no subsidies, they'd reduce tariffs too i'd think.
I'd actually be better for ethanol in this way too, as we could import cheaper, cleaner sugar cane ethanol. Currently the subsidies and high tarriffs on sugar cane are used to hold down sugarcane ethanol.
As for food stamp abuse... it wasn't a food stamps card right? Can't imagine a McDonalds being able to get a food stamps machine in any state.
Unemployment or other welfare though I can see.
Either way, you'll never stop welfare abuse unless you end up hurting a lot of innocent people along with it.
EDIT: guess i was wrong about fast food and food stamps. Damnit.
My bad.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2011/09/fast-food-chains-getting-into-the-food-stamp-act/
SamuelRSmith said: USA - militarism. |
And then welcome back trade barriers all over the continent
Good idea. No sense in having cheap-o Slovakian labor taking the jobs of right upstanding Englishmen. Go Labour!
Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.
Oil Subsides! Screw Oil companies.
Ask stefl1504 for a sig, even if you don't need one.
1 child per family. in a few generations youll have far less people to manage.
Mr Khan said:
And then welcome back trade barriers all over the continent Good idea. No sense in having cheap-o Slovakian labor taking the jobs of right upstanding Englishmen. Go Labour! |
Given the current path of the EU, that may well be a better option. I'm sure many of the countries in the EU would be happy to sign free trade agreements with eachother, UK, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Switzerland, Eastern Europe, etc. Plus, we'd now be free to negotiate free trade deals with other countries around the world without the French fucking everything up.
Mr Khan said:
And then welcome back trade barriers all over the continent Good idea. No sense in having cheap-o Slovakian labor taking the jobs of right upstanding Englishmen. Go Labour! |
The EU is not the same as the European Free Trade Agreement, which could likely stay intact.
But yes, it would probably curb immigration between European countries, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Kantor said: The EU is not the same as the European Free Trade Agreement, which could likely stay intact. But yes, it would probably curb immigration between European countries, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. |
I was under the impression that the EFTA was between the EU and external states (Norway, Switzerland, etc), which would mean that with the elimination of the EU, the EFTA would also need to be renegotiated. Given the current political climate, I'm sure there will be some countries that refuse... but, hopefully, most of the countries with /some/ savvy (which I listed in my previous post) would quickly re-negotiate.
EDIT: Just like to point out that I'd still like to see "people" included in these agreements, but that seems even less likely. Even the more free-trade nations have a hard time accepting freedom of movement. This is perhaps the one good thing that would die with the EU.
SamuelRSmith said:
EDIT: Just like to point out that I'd still like to see "people" included in these agreements, but that seems even less likely. Even the more free-trade nations have a hard time accepting freedom of movement. This is perhaps the one good thing that would die with the EU. |
Right, and I'd like to see the agreement between the EU and Norway and Switzerland turned into a continent-wide treaty. Certainly, all of the Western European countries would agree to it.
EDIT: And as for people, I fully support the free movement of labour as long as the immigrants don't turn to crime and/or use up government resources without contributing.
"Green Energy" subsidies ... They are (really) just slush funds designed to pay political supporters of the parties that are in charge.