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Answer the damn question!

Absolutely not. 150 53.38%
 
No, but the treatment of animals is wrong. 89 31.67%
 
Yes, but I'm still gonna eat meat. 16 5.69%
 
Yes, and I'm lowering my meat-intake 12 4.27%
 
Yes, and I don't eat meat. 14 4.98%
 
Total:281
Jay520 on 23 October 2012

@ Max

1. Yeah, meat was probably an occasional part of our diet, but it wasn't a main part (as I said below).

2. No animal can eat rotten fruit. However, meat-eating animals can eat rotten meat.

3. By using tools and strategies. This doesn't effect what out bodies were equipped to consume.

As I said before though, I don't really care about this argument. I'm interested in the moral aspect of it.



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mrstickball on 23 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
mrstickball said:
It'd be nice if the Vegans and vegetarians stopped from trying to force meat-eaters into their dietary preferences.

Some days, I don't eat meat at all. Other days I do. Both things can be delicious, and tasty. However, I'm not going to prevent myself from eating a specific kind of food, just because you get yourself flustered over the issue.

Having said that, I eventually want to raise all of my own meat and butcher it.

But how can you say that (your first sentence), you being a guy I know is anti-abortion and who has put a lot of though into that issue?

Pro-life people try to force pro-choice people into their preference of preserving human life in every form, even in the womb. For them it's not a question of choice and preference, it's a question of ethics. In the same way for the vegetarian it's not a question of choice, it's a question of ethics.

Even our God originally intended humans as well as animals to only live on plants. Only after human sin came into the world did he allow humans to consume animals. It's God's ideal state - no death should exist in his whole creation.

 

 

I've come to the conclusion that I can't force my pro-life views on others. I can, however, do what I can to mitigate the possibilities of them having an abortion. 95% of abortions happen simply because the woman doesn't want the child (as opposed to medicial or incest/rape issues). There was a pilot program in St. Louis that dropped the abortion rate by 80-90% without banning it. So I think there are better ways to solve the issue than to take away freedoms.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Slimebeast on 23 October 2012
mrstickball said:
Slimebeast said:
mrstickball said:
It'd be nice if the Vegans and vegetarians stopped from trying to force meat-eaters into their dietary preferences.

Some days, I don't eat meat at all. Other days I do. Both things can be delicious, and tasty. However, I'm not going to prevent myself from eating a specific kind of food, just because you get yourself flustered over the issue.

Having said that, I eventually want to raise all of my own meat and butcher it.

But how can you say that (your first sentence), you being a guy I know is anti-abortion and who has put a lot of though into that issue?

Pro-life people try to force pro-choice people into their preference of preserving human life in every form, even in the womb. For them it's not a question of choice and preference, it's a question of ethics. In the same way for the vegetarian it's not a question of choice, it's a question of ethics.

Even our God originally intended humans as well as animals to only live on plants. Only after human sin came into the world did he allow humans to consume animals. It's God's ideal state - no death should exist in his whole creation.

 

 

I've come to the conclusion that I can't force my pro-life views on others. I can, however, do what I can to mitigate the possibilities of them having an abortion. 95% of abortions happen simply because the woman doesn't want the child (as opposed to medicial or incest/rape issues). There was a pilot program in St. Louis that dropped the abortion rate by 80-90% without banning it. So I think there are better ways to solve the issue than to take away freedoms.

Fair enough, but you do have some sympathy for hardcore pro-lifers, don't you? I mean sympathy in the sense that you understand their passion, that if they truly believe abortion is murder, then it stops being a question of choice only, and is necessary to become a question of ethics and laws. And from this follows that it's natural for them to advocate laws to protect the embryo.

I mean, it's not very different compared to a vegetarian activist who will passionately argue and lobby for the protection of animals with the ultimate goal that the well-being and integrity of animals (at least some animals) - and ultimately the right to live - becomes not only the standard norm in people's minds but also protected by our laws.

I happen to be both, I am pro-life and a vegetarian.



Max King of the Wild on 23 October 2012
Jay520 said:
@ Max

1. Yeah, meat was probably an occasional part of our diet, but it wasn't a main part (as I said below).

2. No animal can eat rotten fruit. However, meat-eating animals can eat rotten meat.

3. By using tools and strategies. This doesn't effect what out bodies were equipped to consume.

As I said before though, I don't really care about this argument. I'm interested in the moral aspect of it.



These arguments are concerned with your interest though. Morality is concerned with right vs wrong decisions and actions. How can we determine if eating meat is morally right or morally wrong? I don't see how the fact that we have tools and are equipped to eat meat can turn out morally wrong action.



Jay520 on 23 October 2012
Max King of the Wild said:


These arguments are concerned with your interest though. Morality is concerned with right vs wrong decisions and actions. How can we determine if eating meat is morally right or morally wrong? I don't see how the fact that we have tools and are equipped to eat meat can turn out morally wrong action.


Moralty is not based on what we are capable or equiped or evolved to do. It's a person's feelings on what's right and wrong. 

We may be equipped to eat meat, but we are still free to decide if it's wrong or not. Our bodies are capable of doing a lot of things, but that doesn't mean they don't go against many people's morals.



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Max King of the Wild on 23 October 2012
Jay520 said:
Max King of the Wild said:


These arguments are concerned with your interest though. Morality is concerned with right vs wrong decisions and actions. How can we determine if eating meat is morally right or morally wrong? I don't see how the fact that we have tools and are equipped to eat meat can turn out morally wrong action.


Moralty is not based on what we are capable or equiped or evolved to do. It's a person's feelings on what's right and wrong. 

We may be equipped to eat meat, but we are free to choose to decide if it's wrong or not. 

That is not true. Morality has a lot to do with things other than ideas.



Jay520 on 23 October 2012
Max King of the Wild said:

That is not true. Morality has a lot to do with things other than ideas.


I disagree. However, because morality is subjective by nature, you are free to have your own opinion on what morality includes.



Max King of the Wild on 23 October 2012
Jay520 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

That is not true. Morality has a lot to do with things other than ideas.


I disagree. However, because morality is subjective by nature, you are free to have your own opinion on what morality includes.



Okay, let me illustrate.

You have a choice of either A or B... which one is morally right?



Jay520 on 23 October 2012
Max King of the Wild said:

Okay, let me illustrate.

You have a choice of either A or B... which one is morally right?


I don't know what game you are playing, but can you get to the point?



Max King of the Wild on 23 October 2012
Jay520 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Okay, let me illustrate.

You have a choice of either A or B... which one is morally right?


I don't know what game you are playing, but can you get to the point?



I'm not playing any game. You need to pick either A or B... Hell I'll also give you C D and E also... All represent a choice. Which one is the most morally correct action?