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Who won the 2nd debate?

President Barack Obama 299 57.72%
 
Governor MItt Romney 149 28.76%
 
Nobody/tie 70 13.51%
 
Total:518
JoeTheBro on 17 October 2012
drkohler said:
JoeTheBro said:
Is anyone else kinda really annoyed the moderator screwed with the debate?

The woman was excellent. I laso liked that she was "on the same height" as the two guys. And with equal height, I really mean it physically not only intellectually. The physical part you might note have even noticed, but in the first debates, the two guys looked down on the asker. The lady was talking to the guys on the same eye level. Talking to people on the same eye-level  makes a huge difference in how people behave - that is something every debater can tell you.


Yes, but it resulted in her overstepping her bounds. She was not supposed to re-imagine questions on the fly and she had no right whatsoever to jump in as a "fact checker". Her role is to keep them within the time, not be a third debater.



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drkohler on 17 October 2012
JoeTheBro said:


Yes, but it resulted in her overstepping her bounds. She was not supposed to re-imagine questions on the fly and she had no right whatsoever to jump in as a "fact checker". Her role is to keep them within the time, not be a third debater.

That is exactly the point why she was excelllent. When the guys were starting to bullshit (particularly Romney), she immediately stepped in and re-asked the question. It is no wonder that particularly the Romney camp disliked her, because this pathetic guy didn't even answer one single question - Obama at least tried a (very) few times. This happens when both guys were trained to give standard, content-free answers to any questions.

I'd really like to see an open discussion, no secret agreements, no prepared questions. Bring back Bill O'Reilly and Jon Stewart...



JoeTheBro on 17 October 2012
drkohler said:
JoeTheBro said:


Yes, but it resulted in her overstepping her bounds. She was not supposed to re-imagine questions on the fly and she had no right whatsoever to jump in as a "fact checker". Her role is to keep them within the time, not be a third debater.

That is exactly the point why she was excelllent. When the guys were starting to bullshit (particularly Romney), she immediately stepped in and re-asked the question. It is no wonder that particularly the Romney camp disliked her, because this pathetic guy didn't even answer one single question - Obama at least tried a (very) few times. This happens when both guys were trained to give standard, content-free answers to any questions.

I'd really like to see an open discussion, no secret agreements, no prepared questions. Bring back Bill O'Reilly and Jon Stewart...


Again another bad part on her. Obama was on par with Romney in this debate in bs and avoiding questions. There is nothing wrong with reasking a question but there is with asking new questions and becoming part of the debate.



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GameOver22 on 17 October 2012
gergroy said:
theprof00 said:
chriscox1121 said:
gergroy said:


feel free to prove me wrong, but the two polls I can remember off the top of my head were CNN 67 to 25 and CBS 44 to 21.  I remember seeing more, but I don't remember the exact numbers.  I just remember that Romney was considered the winner by at least a 2 to 1 margin in all of them.  


try almost 4 to 1...it was the biggest debate win in history

http://gop12.thehill.com/2012/10/gallup-romney-scored-biggest-debate-win.html

According to Gallup, Republicans gave him a 95% win over Obama, Independents picked him, 70%-19%, and even Democrats thought Romney won, 49%-39%.

 

The problem, is that your link has republicans, liberals, and undecided voters as evenly split thirds. That is why these numbers don't add up. the undecided are like 12% of voters.

are you confusing independent voters with undecided voters?  Because democrats, republicans, and independents do make up roughly about thirds. 

That depends on what you mean by independents. There are only about 10% of voters who are pure independents. The rest of the independents lean towards the Republican or Democratic party. The leaning Independents actually behave more like weak partisans than they do pure independents, meaning they are much more likley to support the party they lean towards. In addition, pure independents are much less likely to vote than the other groups (leaners and strong/weak partisans).



GameOver22 on 17 October 2012
gergroy said:
theprof00 said:
chriscox1121 said:
gergroy said:


feel free to prove me wrong, but the two polls I can remember off the top of my head were CNN 67 to 25 and CBS 44 to 21.  I remember seeing more, but I don't remember the exact numbers.  I just remember that Romney was considered the winner by at least a 2 to 1 margin in all of them.  


try almost 4 to 1...it was the biggest debate win in history

http://gop12.thehill.com/2012/10/gallup-romney-scored-biggest-debate-win.html

According to Gallup, Republicans gave him a 95% win over Obama, Independents picked him, 70%-19%, and even Democrats thought Romney won, 49%-39%.

 

The problem, is that your link has republicans, liberals, and undecided voters as evenly split thirds. That is why these numbers don't add up. the undecided are like 12% of voters.

are you confusing independent voters with undecided voters?  Because democrats, republicans, and independents do make up roughly about thirds. 

Found these charts if you're interested (so you don't have to take my word for it)

Party ID 7-point scale

Party ID 3-Point Scale

Party ID and Voting-second to last table is the relevant one-comparing partisans/leaners to pure independents.



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Zappykins on 17 October 2012

I saw Obama won. And with the way Romney acted I really don't think he should be president at all - the USA doesn't need another President going around attacking other countries.

I knew since last year the Republicans didn't want him. I think now I have a better idea why.



 

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gergroy on 18 October 2012
GameOver22 said:
gergroy said:
theprof00 said:
chriscox1121 said:
gergroy said:


feel free to prove me wrong, but the two polls I can remember off the top of my head were CNN 67 to 25 and CBS 44 to 21.  I remember seeing more, but I don't remember the exact numbers.  I just remember that Romney was considered the winner by at least a 2 to 1 margin in all of them.  


try almost 4 to 1...it was the biggest debate win in history

http://gop12.thehill.com/2012/10/gallup-romney-scored-biggest-debate-win.html

According to Gallup, Republicans gave him a 95% win over Obama, Independents picked him, 70%-19%, and even Democrats thought Romney won, 49%-39%.

 

The problem, is that your link has republicans, liberals, and undecided voters as evenly split thirds. That is why these numbers don't add up. the undecided are like 12% of voters.

are you confusing independent voters with undecided voters?  Because democrats, republicans, and independents do make up roughly about thirds. 

That depends on what you mean by independents. There are only about 10% of voters who are pure independents. The rest of the independents lean towards the Republican or Democratic party. The leaning Independents actually behave more like weak partisans than they do pure independents, meaning they are much more likley to support the party they lean towards. In addition, pure independents are much less likely to vote than the other groups (leaners and strong/weak partisans).

That doesnt really have anything to do with what we are saying, but good to know, I guess...



GameOver22 on 18 October 2012
gergroy said:
GameOver22 said:
gergroy said:

are you confusing independent voters with undecided voters?  Because democrats, republicans, and independents do make up roughly about thirds.

That depends on what you mean by independents. There are only about 10% of voters who are pure independents. The rest of the independents lean towards the Republican or Democratic party. The leaning Independents actually behave more like weak partisans than they do pure independents, meaning they are much more likley to support the party they lean towards. In addition, pure independents are much less likely to vote than the other groups (leaners and strong/weak partisans).

That doesnt really have anything to do with what we are saying, but good to know, I guess...

Hmmm....Am I misreading something. You said independents make up roughly 1/3 of the electorate. I'm saying they don't because most people identifying as independents actually have a partisan preference. True independents actually make up about 1/10 of the electorate.



gergroy on 18 October 2012
GameOver22 said:
gergroy said:
GameOver22 said:
gergroy said:

are you confusing independent voters with undecided voters?  Because democrats, republicans, and independents do make up roughly about thirds.

That depends on what you mean by independents. There are only about 10% of voters who are pure independents. The rest of the independents lean towards the Republican or Democratic party. The leaning Independents actually behave more like weak partisans than they do pure independents, meaning they are much more likley to support the party they lean towards. In addition, pure independents are much less likely to vote than the other groups (leaners and strong/weak partisans).

That doesnt really have anything to do with what we are saying, but good to know, I guess...

Hmmm....Am I misreading something. You said independents make up roughly 1/3 of the electorate. I'm saying they don't because most people identifying as independents actually have a partisan preference. True independents actually make up about 1/10 of the electorate.

yes, because we were talking about how the numbers were adding up in a poll.  regardless of what their political leanings. a little more than a third of the country identify themselves as independents.  That is what we were talking about.  



GameOver22 on 18 October 2012
gergroy said:
GameOver22 said:
gergroy said:
GameOver22 said:
gergroy said:

are you confusing independent voters with undecided voters?  Because democrats, republicans, and independents do make up roughly about thirds.

That depends on what you mean by independents. There are only about 10% of voters who are pure independents. The rest of the independents lean towards the Republican or Democratic party. The leaning Independents actually behave more like weak partisans than they do pure independents, meaning they are much more likley to support the party they lean towards. In addition, pure independents are much less likely to vote than the other groups (leaners and strong/weak partisans).

That doesnt really have anything to do with what we are saying, but good to know, I guess...

Hmmm....Am I misreading something. You said independents make up roughly 1/3 of the electorate. I'm saying they don't because most people identifying as independents actually have a partisan preference. True independents actually make up about 1/10 of the electorate.

yes, because we were talking about how the numbers were adding up in a poll.  regardless of what their political leanings. a little more than a third of the country identify themselves as independents.  That is what we were talking about.  

Yes, and depending on which independents you poll, you will get different results, possibly unrepresentative of the voting population. Obviously democratic leaners are going to answer differently from republican leaners. Just lumping all independents into one category will likely result in an unrepresentative sample and a biased poll. That is the point I was driving at.