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Tridrakious said:
In current situation I see Vita selling between 2 million to 5 million.

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Vita should be sitting close to the 9-10 million unit range. Which will entice more developers and publishers. This is still the first year of the platform.

VITA selling 2-5 million during what period? And are you sayign you expect VITA at 9-10 million range by end of Mar 2013?



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

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I like the way some people here are talking like vita has failed. You'll all look well if the call of duty game gives vita the boost it needs. And thats all it needs to do really. We should only consider failure when we get a better idea about it next year.



One more thing to complete my year = senran kagura localization =D

I agree, Sony haven't really gotten what the handheld market want. I don't mind them releasing games like Uncharted and LBP, but they need something different really kick off. 3rd parties were doing that for the PSP, but right now they need to produce some magic! To be honest, I would say the same for the 3DS (as sales haven't really been impressive for them either bar Japan), but PSV is extra depressing which as you've said is not good for the market.



CCFanboy said:
I like the way some people here are talking like vita has failed. You'll all look well if the call of duty game gives vita the boost it needs. And thats all it needs to do really. We should only consider failure when we get a better idea about it next year.


I don't think Call of Duty is a system seller though, it just isn't.



dandd said:

In my opinion, I'm just not seeing the demand for the Vita.

None of my nieces or nephews have asked for or even acknowledged it really exists. My friend's son knows a kid who has one, but even he seems indifferent. He's a PSP and PS3 owner and he really never talks about the Vita.

The Vita is a great piece of hardware, but now the "thing to have" is tablets and smartphones. I don't blame Sony, its just the market has changed.

 

I know this is very anecdotal, but when something is popular I hear all about it from the kids in the family. They want it and usually try to get me to buy it for them.



I have to agree with this. Neither my step-son nor my daughter (both 360/Wii owners - different homes) have the slightest interest in Vita, nor 3DS for that matter.   My daughter wants a tablet (and she's an avid FPS/3rdPS player) and my step-son has one already.  

While it's absolutely true tablet games are not as good, they are good enough  for most people and do a ton of other things exceptionally well.   The games are also free or cheap which is a huge plus for those without disposal income (or even many of us working folk who have more pressing things to spend money on).

Vita is a dinosaur in a mammals world.



 

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There is no market for 17-30+ year olds who want a to carry around a dedicated handheld gaming device (aka: a modern "Game Boy").

I think that's all there is to it.

Everyone's just ignoring the elephant in the room.

Times have changed. The modern smartphone between texting, web browsing, social media, apps, video, music, and $1-$2 games eats up all the free time, and even the larger smartphones are far more pocket friendly than a Vita or 3DS.

There is a market for gaming handhelds but its primarily going to be 6-15 year old kids (ie: kids who are too young to have a smartphone) ... and Sony is never going to beat Nintendo on that demographic. Even for Nintendo this demographic is shrinking, as the iPad is also chewing up this market. The iPad mini is probably going to wound the handheld market even further this fall.

The "hardcore" gamers who think they decide the market and are making a big fuss about Vita on message boards are a tiny, tiny niche of the market. I think people just need to accept the truth. Times change, technology has changed.

The gaming handheld is a 1980s/1990s/early 2000s concept, but in the modern world it's becoming an outdated concept. If people want to play Call of Duty that's what their PS3/360/Wii U and a 50-inch TV is for. On the go, they don't need that, anymore than a person going to McDonalds or a burger joint is expecting to be able to order a three-course steak dinner.



saicho said:
Tridrakious said:
In current situation I see Vita selling between 2 million to 5 million.

......

Vita should be sitting close to the 9-10 million unit range. Which will entice more developers and publishers. This is still the first year of the platform.

VITA selling 2-5 million during what period? And are you sayign you expect VITA at 9-10 million range by end of Mar 2013?


I see Vita selling 2 to 5 million units over the holiday season. I see the Vita easily being in the 9 to 10 million total sold range by March 2013.

Black Ops Declassified will not sell anywhere close to what console CoD games do, but it will not hurt the system in one bit. Same goes for PlayStation All-Stars, Ratchet and Clank, Assassin's Creed, Ragnarok and Persona (to name the big games coming)



Gamerace said:
dandd said:

In my opinion, I'm just not seeing the demand for the Vita.

None of my nieces or nephews have asked for or even acknowledged it really exists. My friend's son knows a kid who has one, but even he seems indifferent. He's a PSP and PS3 owner and he really never talks about the Vita.

The Vita is a great piece of hardware, but now the "thing to have" is tablets and smartphones. I don't blame Sony, its just the market has changed.

 

I know this is very anecdotal, but when something is popular I hear all about it from the kids in the family. They want it and usually try to get me to buy it for them.



I have to agree with this. Neither my step-son nor my daughter (both 360/Wii owners - different homes) have the slightest interest in Vita, nor 3DS for that matter.   My daughter wants a tablet (and she's an avid FPS/3rdPS player) and my step-son has one already.  

While it's absolutely true tablet games are not as good, they are good enough  for most people and do a ton of other things exceptionally well.   The games are also free or cheap which is a huge plus for those without disposal income (or even many of us working folk who have more pressing things to spend money on).

Vita is a dinosaur in a mammals world.

Vita is a dinosarur? You sure you're not talking about the 3DS?

Vita does everything a smartphoen can do, except make calls. Yes, there are tons of free games on the app stores on phones, but Vita is getting there.

Smartphones don't seem to be affecting the 3DS too much, why would they affect Vita? Vita is superior to the 3DS in every way, all it needs is some big games. I see people say that "we dont' want watered down console-style games" yet if you look at the best selling Vita game.....it's Uncharted Golden Abyss.



VGKing said:
Gamerace said:
dandd said:

In my opinion, I'm just not seeing the demand for the Vita.

None of my nieces or nephews have asked for or even acknowledged it really exists. My friend's son knows a kid who has one, but even he seems indifferent. He's a PSP and PS3 owner and he really never talks about the Vita.

The Vita is a great piece of hardware, but now the "thing to have" is tablets and smartphones. I don't blame Sony, its just the market has changed.

 

I know this is very anecdotal, but when something is popular I hear all about it from the kids in the family. They want it and usually try to get me to buy it for them.



I have to agree with this. Neither my step-son nor my daughter (both 360/Wii owners - different homes) have the slightest interest in Vita, nor 3DS for that matter.   My daughter wants a tablet (and she's an avid FPS/3rdPS player) and my step-son has one already.  

While it's absolutely true tablet games are not as good, they are good enough  for most people and do a ton of other things exceptionally well.   The games are also free or cheap which is a huge plus for those without disposal income (or even many of us working folk who have more pressing things to spend money on).

Vita is a dinosaur in a mammals world.

Vita is a dinosarur? You sure you're not talking about the 3DS?

Vita does everything a smartphoen can do, except make calls. Yes, there are tons of free games on the app stores on phones, but Vita is getting there.

Smartphones don't seem to be affecting the 3DS too much, why would they affect Vita? Vita is superior to the 3DS in every way, all it needs is some big games. I see people say that "we dont' want watered down console-style games" yet if you look at the best selling Vita game.....it's Uncharted Golden Abyss.


It isn't a smartphone though. That's the problem. Would anyone rather use Twitter on a Vita versus a smartphone? Facebook? Texting friends? Instagram? Checking email? Are you going to use your Vita to listen to music at the gym (lol)?,

Not many grown adults aside want to carry around a device the size of a brick just so they can play "Uncharted" for 5-10 minutes on their lunch break.

Gaming handhelds had their time. It was called 1989-2007. Smartphones and tablets have changed the world.

People who want to play console games ... have consoles (go figure) with big screen TVs nowadays. What people want on the go is already covered completely by smartphones. Aside from all the social media and other entertainment options a smartphone provides, for the 5-15 minutes on the go that an average older teenager/adult may have to spend on gaming, a $1-$2 game fills their time just fine.

The technology in the Vita isn't the dinosaur. The entire concept of the device is a dinosaur in the modern world. 3DS gets by on the fact that Nintendo still can bank on young kids to buy their cheaper handheld with more kid-centric brands.



It has a good library of games. The bundles are great value for $249 (System, Game, and 4 GB card).

I think the Vita will do quite well, if Sony simply gets its marketing correct. If marketing is poor, then not so much.