| leo-j said: I wonder, what fans want ff vii the most.. playstation fans?(which every ps3 owner has been begging for a remake) or nintendo fans?(which is made up of 70% casual gamers(wii)) |
How about FFVII fans?
| leo-j said: I wonder, what fans want ff vii the most.. playstation fans?(which every ps3 owner has been begging for a remake) or nintendo fans?(which is made up of 70% casual gamers(wii)) |
How about FFVII fans?
| Naraku_Diabolos said: Square-Enix would bleed money for development costs if it were to go on PS3. Just look how long and much FFXIII is going for on PS3. It's like a double-edged sword or like the Pokemon, "Rampardos," trying to use Head Smash (base damage of 150; Rampardos has a 165 base attack stat), which would be SUICIDE if used; it would give a 50% recoil to it. If the game doesn't sell well, it's going to cost Square-Enix DEARLY and they could file bankruptcy. The FFXIII series is a big budget game. If Square-Enix were to remake FFVII, it would cost A LOT of money. People know it would be a hit, but how PS3 is currently selling out on the market, it could be either good or bad (if the game were just to be announced, then PS3 would be selling like crazy). We DO NOT know how games will sell; it's the same thing that Nintendo wasn't expecting about the demand for the Wii. To answer the topic's question, yes, the games can go on other consoles. Even though Square-Enix slept in bed with Sony and produced a lot of different/new Final Fantasy games, it doesn't mean they are LOYAL. It's like a girl wanting money in a man. Nintendo didn't change from cartridge format to CD-ROM because Square-Enix wanted some better stuff. Sony showed off its goods, so Square-Enix left Nintendo to go sleep with Sony. Square-Enix was FIRST with Nintendo, and now that Nintendo is showing that they have what it takes to be successful, Square-Enix will go crawling back to Nintendo because they were with them first and they know that they are a company that will prosper with financial status. Now Square-Enix is unsure about Sony because their marketing is not that stable anymore, they made foolish errors and they are way ahead of their time (with the PS3's power), but Square-Enix will still want a bit of that power (ONLY PS3; not Sony). Square-Enix only WANTS to use a powerful console to make their dreams of a graphically powerful game franchise, in which fantasy becomes a reality. THAT is what we call Final Fantasy, folks. |
It shouldn't cost near as much as a game like FFXIII. Pre-production has already been done with the original FFVII. They already have the story, gameplay, etc. finished, so all they have to do is model the world via the White Engine and assets from FFXIII.
Can't say.
In general soriku could be right.
Though Sony may have made Square sign a contract, considering the giant amounts of money Sony gave them. Though to suggest this is definitly the case or even likely seems silly... as usually at most these kinds of contracts tend to have a set number of years on them even when they do happen. (around 5 i believe)

| makingmusic476 said: Sure, it could go to the Wii, but I don't really see the point of that. The reason fans want a remake so bad is to make the game visually stunning. They generally don't want the gameplay or anything else altered very much, they just want the in-game graphics to match (or come close to) the CGI cutscenes. Remaking the game on the ps3 or 360 (or both) would accomplish this, but remaking it for the Wii wouldn't. The entire point of the Wii is new and innovative gameplay, not awesome graphics, which is the exact opposite of what proponents of a FFVII remake want. |
Dude you could do PS1 FF7 cutscenes as real gameplay on the PS2. Also all square cares about is profit with their remakes. As bad as i thought the game was, FF7 would sell anywhere. Even if it was released on gameboy advance.

makingmusic476 said:
How about FFVII fans? |
They apply to the first category :)




If 70% is wrong Soriku than you and the other Ninty guys seriously need to get together and decide what percentage of Wii owners is actually casual and how much isn't. Every thread I read about how the Wii is being sold to Nursery Homes and to new gamers who have never bought a system before (blue ocean strategy I think it's called), and yet when people suggest that Wii owners won't buy something because they're casual they get scoffed at. I mean which is it, is the Wii a bastion for the new casual gamer who will follow different trends and different IP's than the hardcore crowd, or is it made up primarily of hard core players like yourself who want to see games like KH3 and FF moved to the Wii. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like people are trying to argue two opposing sides of an argument as both being in favor of the Wii.
edit: I own a PS3 and plan on getting a Wii (if I can find one :P), but I see the PS3 and Wii as not particularly competing for the same market. Just wanted to give some background so that hopefully I don't come off as just a Sony Fanboy.
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So your conclusion is that there is enough of a Hard Core base to help any kind of game do well....or atleast games that would be typically deemed as Hard Core. Then would you also concede to the idea that if a Game does particularly well on one of the other two systems that it will have an adverse effect on the sale of these Wiis to the Hardcore gamers and therefore have an affect on the sale of the Wii in general? (or perhaps it's best to say it would have an effect on the Demand for the Wii, since it could be argued that it's demand is far enough above it's supply that this wouldn't make an affect on sales) My apologies if this discussion has been done to death, and perhaps the same people aren't making different arguments, just different people with the same desire to see the Wii do well.
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I did not compare any games. And I understand that there are games that will do very well on the Wii, what I simply want to know is if the sales of Wii can be affected by games on the other consoles, or if the two markets are so different that they don't coincide enough to really make that much of a dent. I do not want to compare games or talk about NMH (which appears to be a great game and one reason I intend to get a wii, whether or not it sells well is immaterial to me)
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| Torillian said: I did not compare any games. And I understand that there are games that will do very well on the Wii, what I simply want to know is if the sales of Wii can be affected by games on the other consoles, or if the two markets are so different that they don't coincide enough to really make that much of a dent. I do not want to compare games or talk about NMH (which appears to be a great game and one reason I intend to get a wii, whether or not it sells well is immaterial to me) |
Well, for now, it does seem no. The biggest example to support that is Halo 3. Huge launch, pretty much everyone who owned an Xbox360 bought it, and it convinced more people to buy the console. But now, as you can see, the Wii simply brushed past it unaffected. Even now, if you look at Wii's library and compare it to the Xbox360/PS3's library, you'll see there's a wide gap in the types of games yet the Wii continues to outsell both systems. I could continue on with this but too lazy right now...

| Naraku_Diabolos said: Square-Enix would bleed money for development costs if it were to go on PS3. Just look how long and much FFXIII is going for on PS3. It's like a double-edged sword or like the Pokemon, "Rampardos," trying to use Head Smash (base damage of 150; Rampardos has a 165 base attack stat), which would be SUICIDE if used; it would give a 50% recoil to it. If the game doesn't sell well, it's going to cost Square-Enix DEARLY and they could file bankruptcy. The FFXIII series is a big budget game. |
That's an impressive Pokemon analogy, but could you put it units of Libraries of Congress/mole?
As for numbers of "hardcore" vs. "casual" gamers - whoever can trot out actual numbers with sell through data, showing demographics, sex, and approximate percent error, this whole thing is a wank fest. You can look at it and tell that there is probably a sizable chunk of casuals, as well as a fairly sizable chunk of "hardcore" gamers. Actual percentages though are 84.343211332% absurd.