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What are the most significant factors?

Genetic factors 131 47.29%
 
Environmental factors 65 23.47%
 
People freely choose their sexuality 47 16.97%
 
Other 32 11.55%
 
Total:275
Jay520 said:
forevercloud3000 said:

And I do agree that aspects of our life are what create our individual "personalities". I am just exclaiming that "sexual preference" isn't part of a personality at all. Limp wrists, lisps when you talk(which comes from the brain trying to pronounce every single phonetic sound instead of ending abruptly like most people do....try it and u will notice you lisp), the way you dress,etc all occure when your brain starts interpreting external stimuli.....yet the way each of us percieves things is also dictated by internal brain function. The brain sees what is happening and tells you to either imitate, repel, or alter behavior to suit you as an individual. Some of these are dictated by the brain hormone levels I spoke of earlier.

at least that is my hypothesis of the issue.


Okay, just wanted some clarification. A few thoughts though...

I don't think limp wrists and lisps should be grouped the same as the way you dress. In some cases, limp wrists and lisps aren't a result of learned behavior. For example, difficulty speaking can be the result of a disorder in a person's motor cortex, that regulates voluntary muscles (which could occur because of head trauma or they could simply be born that way). In that case, it could simply be due to the physical state of a person's brain. I don't think people develop limp wrists or lisps as a result of what they experience. I have no way of knowing though.

As for the second bolded statement, there's probably a lot of truth to that statement. But, it's a two-way street. There's an input (external stimuli), and the brain processes that stimuli. Both the brain and the external are ultimately the sole factors in how a person thinks/acts. Where you and I probably differ is the fact that I don't believe most people's brain function differs in any major way. In any case though, I don't think we can prove whether brain function or external stimuli is the bigger factor (it probably varies from person to person anyway). I personally doubt that people are born predisposed to specific tendencies, at least in any major way, but that's just my own opinion.


I guess I should have specified it as the "Gay lisp" and "Gay limp wrist", as in social demeanor and not one that is obviously caused by some defect.

As for the second Paragraph: You could look at it either way. We are actually a lot more alike than we like to believe...because social structures pride us on being individuals yet conforming to the norm. Labels are the problem. Men and Women, where guys have testicles women have ovaries, where women have boobs men have a chest(and are actually capable of secreting milk if their hormones dictate it). We are one and the same with suttle differences. It is no wonder that homaphrodites exist. And knowing that they do I find it easily to believe that a person can have the mind of a woman and the body of a man(transexuals) and that a person can have an array of varying sexuality.

Outward stimuli also can influence our eating habits but It will never go dictate our genetic desire to eat when hungry. I've learned that someone's sexual preference is a constant, never seems to change. If it directly be dictated by outward forces people could actually be "Ex-Gay". But all of my study has proven that apparently once you go gay(at whatever degree they are), you never go back...and I can't believe something that isn't genetic yet influenced would be that way. This is not to be confused with someone's actual level of sexual preference of being more bisexual in nature and going back and forth between the two. That is not quitting gaydom and becoming straight, that is you like both and freely choose between the two. To believe otherwise is to say with enough conditioning therapy one can be switched to either or and I don't believe that is true for me or anyone else.

The fact that 2 kids born in the same home, raised the same way and still one is hetero, the other homo. Or the fact that some areas of the world are so blatantly hostile to gays that they are threatened with tortures and death such as anal gluing(they inject a paste up the anus that hardens and makes it impossible to deficate without tearing your anus inside out which leads to a slow and excruciating death) yet STILL homosexuality prevails as a supposed "sub/con choice". If anything that would force someone to subconsciously surpress those feelings. Yet sexual desires are almost uncontrollable in that aspect. We like what we like sexually(as far as him or her) and that never seems to change.



      

      

      

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VXIII said:
Studies show that the levels of testosterone in gay men are equal or even higher than heterosexual men. The levels of testosterone get higher in older women and get lower in older men. There are also some interesting experiments on male rats show that the estrogen injections don't affect the sexual orientation of male rats that haven't been castrated. That made me believe that genes and hormones levels have very little to do with our sexual orientation, in except of some very extreme cases that don't apply on the average gay man.

Is it a psychological factor ?, well, Studies show that child sexual abuse is a contributing factor for homosexuality ( rates of childhood sexual abuse in gay men are approximately 3 times higher).

I believe it is more of a psychological and environmental factor than genetic. Could it be a mix of all that ?, it could be. What I know is that the matter is not so clear-cut as many people of both camps would like it to be.


Well I remember watching the Homosexuality in Nature Documentary and they formed an experiment on this. They dyed a ShoeFly's eyes a distinctive color than the rest so they could tell him apart from the rest. Then they exposed him to high doses of competing hormone treatments. They reintroduced him to a swarm of male flys during mating season and he kept sticking his organ in other flies( much to the other male's dismay, kinda funny to watch lol).

Also its probably wrong that Testosterone and Estrogene are the cause, rather they are the effect of other hormones found in the body(there are other subtle ones). They mostly control body functions, high levels of testosterone make you more applicable to fitness(steroids) and also make men exceptionally horny(which in retrospect sounds about right if most gay men produce more testo). High doses of Estrogen on the other hand cause longer hair and fingernails, rapid healing/growing, rapid weight gain, and apparently becomes hostile to a fetus if too much(birth control).



      

      

      

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I personally don't think it is genetics. People have the free will to choose to do whatever they want. Some choices are so strong in their conscious and subconscious that it would almost be impossible to break. It is still possible to break, just need a lot of determination and then some....



we already know it's genetics so any other answer makes you wrong.

also even if it wasn't my question would still be thus;

why the hell should it matter?

some people like people of the same gender or both genders or neither or the opposite gender, et al, GET OVER IT.



RoryGamesFree said:
we already know it's genetics so any other answer makes you wrong.

also even if it wasn't my question would still be thus;

why the hell should it matter?

some people like people of the same gender or both genders or neither or the opposite gender, et al, GET OVER IT.


get over what? The hell is your problem?

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Lack of testosterone influence in brain development during pregnancy, because of some embryo error; which I do not remember right now.

And also there are some research about the possible influence of social environment playing role during the early years of kids, when all the ideas and perception about things are still forming.



Jay520 said:
RoryGamesFree said:
we already know it's genetics so any other answer makes you wrong.

also even if it wasn't my question would still be thus;

why the hell should it matter?

some people like people of the same gender or both genders or neither or the opposite gender, et al, GET OVER IT.


get over what? The hell is your problem?

people need to get over people being gay and just stfu and leave them be and let them live like anyone else.

my problem is with homophobes as they are vile.



RoryGamesFree said:
Jay520 said:
RoryGamesFree said:
we already know it's genetics so any other answer makes you wrong.

also even if it wasn't my question would still be thus;

why the hell should it matter?

some people like people of the same gender or both genders or neither or the opposite gender, et al, GET OVER IT.


get over what? The hell is your problem?

people need to get over people being gay and just stfu and leave them be and let them live like anyone else.

my problem is with homophobes as they are vile.


it's nice that you have the opinion that everyone should be open and leave everyone have their own opinion, unless they aren't a fan of gay people, that makes them Vile. nice.



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ganoncrotch said:
RoryGamesFree said:
Jay520 said:
RoryGamesFree said:
we already know it's genetics so any other answer makes you wrong.

also even if it wasn't my question would still be thus;

why the hell should it matter?

some people like people of the same gender or both genders or neither or the opposite gender, et al, GET OVER IT.


get over what? The hell is your problem?

people need to get over people being gay and just stfu and leave them be and let them live like anyone else.

my problem is with homophobes as they are vile.


it's nice that you have the opinion that everyone should be open and leave everyone have their own opinion, unless they aren't a fan of gay people, that makes them Vile. nice.


do you tolerate racists? if people were asking what caused "jewishness" or "blackness" this wouldn't be a debate, but hey cause it's gay people and certain morons hate them people defend their right to spew their hate and bullshit.



intolerance should never be tolerated.



      

      

      

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