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the2real4mafol on 08 October 2012
pezus said:
the2real4mafol said:
pezus said:
the2real4mafol said:
pezus said:
the2real4mafol said:

PS3 got a decent boost from FIFA 13 and the slim slim model, up 83000 on last week! But did FIFA really sell that well in it's opening week last year?, i'm not so sure. I'm surprised to see FIFA taking number 1 and 2 in the US chart as well, i though they preferred Madden

Fifa 13 sold better than Fifa 12, but FIFA 12 sold a lot as well. And yes, America still prefers Madden even though Fifa is #1 this week.

Ahh cool, but 4.5 million is alot more than I expected FIFA 13 to do, i'm surprised 

FIFA just dominates Europe every year now. I am inclined to say FIFA is bigger there than CoD but I'm not 100% on that. At least the PS3 version should be vs. PS3 CoD.

I'm not sure if I agree there, COD is still big in Europe even on PS3. We shall see.

Looked it up and you're right, CoD is still bigger. But the PS3 version of FIFA 12 is about on par with the 360 version of MW3 (Europe) and only 600k or so behind the PS3 version of MW3. I don't know if we can expect Blops 2 to be bigger than MW3 there? Because if it isn't, FIFA 13 PS3 might top all versions of CoD (individually) for the first time since CoD went huge.

http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/game_comparison.php?reg=Europe&ending=Cumulative&game%5B%5D=FIFA+Soccer+12+%28PS3%29+%5B50884%5D&game%5B%5D=Call+of+Duty%3A+Modern+Warfare+3+%28PS3%29+%5B44605%5D&game%5B%5D=&game%5B%5D=

Yeah I think COD is starting to decline, while FIFA is growing. It will hard for Black Ops II to beat MW3 in my opinion



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Conegamer on 08 October 2012
pezus said:
Conegamer said:
maverick40 said:
jonnybmk said:
I'm surprised LBP Vita only managed 35k so far.

From everything I heard, I thought it would be closer to 1 million bajillion gazillion.

So out of a total user base of under 3 million, you thought LBP Vita could push a million in the first few weeks??? Are you serious?

He's joking; but after the insane barrage of ads over here for the Vita and the game, I'd have expected at least 150k.

Does this need to be repeated 100 times? It's not being tracked everywhere. Something is wrong here. It had 30k+ preorders in USA alone so I would expect the game to be at or around 100k by now.

Perhaps, but other games have had pre-orders in the US and sold less than half them in the first week. Not saying this is the case here, but these numbers are all we have currently.



 

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Alby_da_Wolf on 08 October 2012
Farsala said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
pezus said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
pezus said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Wow, great SW week in Europe and very good in USA too, very good boost for PS3 and good for XB360, 3DS, PSV, PSP and Wii. Only DS, despite a small SW boost, had a HW drop. Good week for PC SW too, although this last WoW expansion had a far weaker launch week than previous ones... Time for Blizzard to start getting worried?

Don't see why they would worry. It sold 2.7m compared to 3.3m for Cataclysm iirc. I do wonder when they'll announce a new MMO though...

Where did you find that number? VGC's WW numbers aren't up yet, and USA and Europe numbers for 1st week are a lot lower than Cataclysm ones:

                                     USA                               Europe

Cataclysm                  677,626                            583,285

Pandaria                    245,523                            304,367

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/38102/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/USA/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/38102/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/Europe/

Source is Blizzard ;o. Digital sales are probably the cause here

I imagined you meant that, but as VGC doesn't track them yet, old and new game numbers are comparable, and unless digital sales skyrocketed for Pandaria, compared to Cataclysm, if the ratio physical:digital didn't change very much, then Pandaria first week sales, despite very good compared to the vast majority of the other games, can be considered quite meh for WoW standards.
Comparing Blizzard numbers you quoted actually suggests a big boost (almost 300k, not so big per se, but big if physical and total sales dropped, instead) in digital sales, as unless VGC is horribly wrong, physical first week sales dropped by almost 900k (and more than 50%!) from previous title.

I think 4 reasons can explain this.

1: Digital sales increased I would say like a 30:70 ratio to 40:60 rate or better

2:VGC sux at tracking PC games, I mean look at original WoW which must have sold at least 15m retail.

3:The number blizz gave out is shipped so in reality 2.2m-2.5m ie 500k-200k on shelves.

4: I mean it did do less then cata by .6m so it is expected to do worse comparably, that combined with the other reasons would suggest low retail sales.
Nem said:

[...]

Ialready made the point with the math, but they want to belive the game sold about 70-80% digital, wich is just ridiculous. i dont believe it for a second.

Also, funny how when its capcom numbers that capcom say are "sold"people in these forums will tell you its actually shipped. Blizzard has a special status and were supposed to belive their numbers are direct sales, and not shipped. Even if it would have to have a ridiculous online sales attachment rate to be possible.

In short: Blizzards numbers are probably shipped + digital. The game tanked in retail compared to previous expansions. And it was obvious that would happen.

Oh snap! Thanks to the both of you, after more than 4 yrs on VGC, plus one lurking, I was forgetting VGC tracks, or tries to, sold to users, while companies mean shipped numbers for physical sales. And yes, a change so drastic in the physical:digital ratio a relatively short time after the previous chapter is not very believable, while I also agree that the total sales drop was expected, so for some reasons VGC could have made a mess tracking physical ones, this time. BTW Pezus says Blizzard tracks end users, and being WoW an online game, it's possible, but even in this case I still agree with Nem about the unlikeliness of a change so dramatic in physical:digital sales ratio in so little time.
As some VGC user often liked to say, maybe we should WAIT FOR ADJUSTMENTS!!!   



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Farsala on 08 October 2012
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Farsala said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
pezus said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
pezus said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Wow, great SW week in Europe and very good in USA too, very good boost for PS3 and good for XB360, 3DS, PSV, PSP and Wii. Only DS, despite a small SW boost, had a HW drop. Good week for PC SW too, although this last WoW expansion had a far weaker launch week than previous ones... Time for Blizzard to start getting worried?

Don't see why they would worry. It sold 2.7m compared to 3.3m for Cataclysm iirc. I do wonder when they'll announce a new MMO though...

Where did you find that number? VGC's WW numbers aren't up yet, and USA and Europe numbers for 1st week are a lot lower than Cataclysm ones:

                                     USA                               Europe

Cataclysm                  677,626                            583,285

Pandaria                    245,523                            304,367

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/38102/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/USA/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/38102/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/Europe/

Source is Blizzard ;o. Digital sales are probably the cause here

I imagined you meant that, but as VGC doesn't track them yet, old and new game numbers are comparable, and unless digital sales skyrocketed for Pandaria, compared to Cataclysm, if the ratio physical:digital didn't change very much, then Pandaria first week sales, despite very good compared to the vast majority of the other games, can be considered quite meh for WoW standards.
Comparing Blizzard numbers you quoted actually suggests a big boost (almost 300k, not so big per se, but big if physical and total sales dropped, instead) in digital sales, as unless VGC is horribly wrong, physical first week sales dropped by almost 900k (and more than 50%!) from previous title.

I think 4 reasons can explain this.

1: Digital sales increased I would say like a 30:70 ratio to 40:60 rate or better

2:VGC sux at tracking PC games, I mean look at original WoW which must have sold at least 15m retail.

3:The number blizz gave out is shipped so in reality 2.2m-2.5m ie 500k-200k on shelves.

4: I mean it did do less then cata by .6m so it is expected to do worse comparably, that combined with the other reasons would suggest low retail sales.
Nem said:

[...]

Ialready made the point with the math, but they want to belive the game sold about 70-80% digital, wich is just ridiculous. i dont believe it for a second.

Also, funny how when its capcom numbers that capcom say are "sold"people in these forums will tell you its actually shipped. Blizzard has a special status and were supposed to belive their numbers are direct sales, and not shipped. Even if it would have to have a ridiculous online sales attachment rate to be possible.

In short: Blizzards numbers are probably shipped + digital. The game tanked in retail compared to previous expansions. And it was obvious that would happen.

Oh snap! Thanks to the both of you, after more than 4 yrs on VGC, plus one lurking, I was forgetting VGC tracks, or tries to, sold to users, while companies mean shipped numbers for physical sales. And yes, a change so drastic in the physical:digital ratio a relatively short time after the previous chapter is not very believable, while I also agree that the total sales drop was expected, so for some reasons VGC could have made a mess tracking physical ones, this time. BTW Pezus says Blizzard tracks end users, and being WoW an online game, it's possible, but even in this case I still agree with Nem about the unlikeliness of a change so dramatic in physical:digital sales ratio in so little time.
As some VGC user often liked to say, maybe we should WAIT FOR ADJUSTMENTS!!!   

2 more notes:

1: Blizz claims over 10m subscribers, so around 900k increase. So a lot of people came back and probably bought the expansion

2:This time for the xpac you can get special stuff in the digital deluxe version which encourages more digital sales.



Alby_da_Wolf on 08 October 2012
the2real4mafol said:
pezus said:
the2real4mafol said:

PS3 got a decent boost from FIFA 13 and the slim slim model, up 83000 on last week! But did FIFA really sell that well in it's opening week last year?, i'm not so sure. I'm surprised to see FIFA taking number 1 and 2 in the US chart as well, i though they preferred Madden

Fifa 13 sold better than Fifa 12, but FIFA 12 sold a lot as well. And yes, America still prefers Madden even though Fifa is #1 this week.

Ahh cool, but 4.5 million is alot more than I expected FIFA 13 to do, i'm surprised 

FIFA sales in USA bettered so much since they ship the American version with a secret power-up that allows players to morph feet into hands and balls into eggs.



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zuvuyeay on 08 October 2012

Fifa is one of the real winners of the modern era,can see it getting bigger too with more console owners around the world as countries get richer,i bought pro though and guild wars 2 in the last couple of weeks,nice pic of the fifa slim ps3 back in the thread,i haven't seen one yet out in the shops,staying in a ghost town at the mo,gave a decent boost,

aren't we coming up to the annual over/under track time for vgc where they adjust all numbers or is that later

and Rugby is called Rugby Football Union(RFU) to give its full name so not that hard to see why NFl is NFL or Rugby Football League(RFL) for the other code



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the2real4mafol on 09 October 2012
Alby_da_Wolf said:
the2real4mafol said:
pezus said:
the2real4mafol said:

PS3 got a decent boost from FIFA 13 and the slim slim model, up 83000 on last week! But did FIFA really sell that well in it's opening week last year?, i'm not so sure. I'm surprised to see FIFA taking number 1 and 2 in the US chart as well, i though they preferred Madden

Fifa 13 sold better than Fifa 12, but FIFA 12 sold a lot as well. And yes, America still prefers Madden even though Fifa is #1 this week.

Ahh cool, but 4.5 million is alot more than I expected FIFA 13 to do, i'm surprised 

FIFA sales in USA bettered so much since they ship the American version with a secret power-up that allows players to morph feet into hands and balls into eggs.





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Nem on 09 October 2012
Farsala said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Farsala said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
pezus said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
pezus said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Wow, great SW week in Europe and very good in USA too, very good boost for PS3 and good for XB360, 3DS, PSV, PSP and Wii. Only DS, despite a small SW boost, had a HW drop. Good week for PC SW too, although this last WoW expansion had a far weaker launch week than previous ones... Time for Blizzard to start getting worried?

Don't see why they would worry. It sold 2.7m compared to 3.3m for Cataclysm iirc. I do wonder when they'll announce a new MMO though...

Where did you find that number? VGC's WW numbers aren't up yet, and USA and Europe numbers for 1st week are a lot lower than Cataclysm ones:

                                     USA                               Europe

Cataclysm                  677,626                            583,285

Pandaria                    245,523                            304,367

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/38102/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/USA/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/38102/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/Europe/

Source is Blizzard ;o. Digital sales are probably the cause here

I imagined you meant that, but as VGC doesn't track them yet, old and new game numbers are comparable, and unless digital sales skyrocketed for Pandaria, compared to Cataclysm, if the ratio physical:digital didn't change very much, then Pandaria first week sales, despite very good compared to the vast majority of the other games, can be considered quite meh for WoW standards.
Comparing Blizzard numbers you quoted actually suggests a big boost (almost 300k, not so big per se, but big if physical and total sales dropped, instead) in digital sales, as unless VGC is horribly wrong, physical first week sales dropped by almost 900k (and more than 50%!) from previous title.

I think 4 reasons can explain this.

1: Digital sales increased I would say like a 30:70 ratio to 40:60 rate or better

2:VGC sux at tracking PC games, I mean look at original WoW which must have sold at least 15m retail.

3:The number blizz gave out is shipped so in reality 2.2m-2.5m ie 500k-200k on shelves.

4: I mean it did do less then cata by .6m so it is expected to do worse comparably, that combined with the other reasons would suggest low retail sales.
Nem said:

[...]

Ialready made the point with the math, but they want to belive the game sold about 70-80% digital, wich is just ridiculous. i dont believe it for a second.

Also, funny how when its capcom numbers that capcom say are "sold"people in these forums will tell you its actually shipped. Blizzard has a special status and were supposed to belive their numbers are direct sales, and not shipped. Even if it would have to have a ridiculous online sales attachment rate to be possible.

In short: Blizzards numbers are probably shipped + digital. The game tanked in retail compared to previous expansions. And it was obvious that would happen.

Oh snap! Thanks to the both of you, after more than 4 yrs on VGC, plus one lurking, I was forgetting VGC tracks, or tries to, sold to users, while companies mean shipped numbers for physical sales. And yes, a change so drastic in the physical:digital ratio a relatively short time after the previous chapter is not very believable, while I also agree that the total sales drop was expected, so for some reasons VGC could have made a mess tracking physical ones, this time. BTW Pezus says Blizzard tracks end users, and being WoW an online game, it's possible, but even in this case I still agree with Nem about the unlikeliness of a change so dramatic in physical:digital sales ratio in so little time.
As some VGC user often liked to say, maybe we should WAIT FOR ADJUSTMENTS!!!   

2 more notes:

1: Blizz claims over 10m subscribers, so around 900k increase. So a lot of people came back and probably bought the expansion

2:This time for the xpac you can get special stuff in the digital deluxe version which encourages more digital sales.


You know... thats is something else that is really fishy about blizzard numbers.

Given they had 9.1m subs before the expansion, and now it rose to 10m with the expansion selling 2.7m according to them. One has to wonder... doesnt that leave 1.8m active subscribers before the expansion? Thats how much blizzard actually has. Not the 9 million crap. Blizzard is throwing dirt on everyones eyes. Unless most are not even bothering to upgrade... wich is unlikely.

All those millions they have are not western players, thats for sure.

 

To the second point, im pretty sure most people dont care about that and go for the cheaper ones. Theres also a sense of security from physical copies.



ethomaz on 09 October 2012

Anybody know when is the public shipment release of the Big Three???

Is this month???

Edit - I found the Sony Q2 2012 release date.

  • November 01, 2012 [Thu] 17:30 (JST) 


Farsala on 09 October 2012
Nem said:
Farsala said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Farsala said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
pezus said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
pezus said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Wow, great SW week in Europe and very good in USA too, very good boost for PS3 and good for XB360, 3DS, PSV, PSP and Wii. Only DS, despite a small SW boost, had a HW drop. Good week for PC SW too, although this last WoW expansion had a far weaker launch week than previous ones... Time for Blizzard to start getting worried?

Don't see why they would worry. It sold 2.7m compared to 3.3m for Cataclysm iirc. I do wonder when they'll announce a new MMO though...

Where did you find that number? VGC's WW numbers aren't up yet, and USA and Europe numbers for 1st week are a lot lower than Cataclysm ones:

                                     USA                               Europe

Cataclysm                  677,626                            583,285

Pandaria                    245,523                            304,367

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/38102/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/USA/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/38102/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/Europe/

Source is Blizzard ;o. Digital sales are probably the cause here

I imagined you meant that, but as VGC doesn't track them yet, old and new game numbers are comparable, and unless digital sales skyrocketed for Pandaria, compared to Cataclysm, if the ratio physical:digital didn't change very much, then Pandaria first week sales, despite very good compared to the vast majority of the other games, can be considered quite meh for WoW standards.
Comparing Blizzard numbers you quoted actually suggests a big boost (almost 300k, not so big per se, but big if physical and total sales dropped, instead) in digital sales, as unless VGC is horribly wrong, physical first week sales dropped by almost 900k (and more than 50%!) from previous title.

I think 4 reasons can explain this.

1: Digital sales increased I would say like a 30:70 ratio to 40:60 rate or better

2:VGC sux at tracking PC games, I mean look at original WoW which must have sold at least 15m retail.

3:The number blizz gave out is shipped so in reality 2.2m-2.5m ie 500k-200k on shelves.

4: I mean it did do less then cata by .6m so it is expected to do worse comparably, that combined with the other reasons would suggest low retail sales.
Nem said:

[...]

Ialready made the point with the math, but they want to belive the game sold about 70-80% digital, wich is just ridiculous. i dont believe it for a second.

Also, funny how when its capcom numbers that capcom say are "sold"people in these forums will tell you its actually shipped. Blizzard has a special status and were supposed to belive their numbers are direct sales, and not shipped. Even if it would have to have a ridiculous online sales attachment rate to be possible.

In short: Blizzards numbers are probably shipped + digital. The game tanked in retail compared to previous expansions. And it was obvious that would happen.

Oh snap! Thanks to the both of you, after more than 4 yrs on VGC, plus one lurking, I was forgetting VGC tracks, or tries to, sold to users, while companies mean shipped numbers for physical sales. And yes, a change so drastic in the physical:digital ratio a relatively short time after the previous chapter is not very believable, while I also agree that the total sales drop was expected, so for some reasons VGC could have made a mess tracking physical ones, this time. BTW Pezus says Blizzard tracks end users, and being WoW an online game, it's possible, but even in this case I still agree with Nem about the unlikeliness of a change so dramatic in physical:digital sales ratio in so little time.
As some VGC user often liked to say, maybe we should WAIT FOR ADJUSTMENTS!!!   

2 more notes:

1: Blizz claims over 10m subscribers, so around 900k increase. So a lot of people came back and probably bought the expansion

2:This time for the xpac you can get special stuff in the digital deluxe version which encourages more digital sales.


You know... thats is something else that is really fishy about blizzard numbers.

Given they had 9.1m subs before the expansion, and now it rose to 10m with the expansion selling 2.7m according to them. One has to wonder... doesnt that leave 1.8m active subscribers before the expansion? Thats how much blizzard actually has. Not the 9 million crap. Blizzard is throwing dirt on everyones eyes. Unless most are not even bothering to upgrade... wich is unlikely.

All those millions they have are not western players, thats for sure.

 

To the second point, im pretty sure most people dont care about that and go for the cheaper ones. Theres also a sense of security from physical copies.


That reminds me of another thing, the majority of the people who play WoW is in Europe and Asia. WoW MoP hasn't launched in China yet for this week. Most subscriber boosts and losses are from Asia because they have a diff PC gaming style then us. Not really concerned if blizz sells much anymore, as they have fallen far.