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Oh, also for those Pro-Choice.

What about places like Indian that abort girls because they want boys. (or vice versa other places.)

What happens if they find out the part of your DNA that makes you lean homosexual?

Pretty much what happens when people start aborting their babys for other reasons, when abortion becomes less safe?

Honestly there is no answer. No answer except for education.

Also, for the people who don't want to adopt kids who are older and want a baby boo hoo. I'm really crying here.

If they really wanted to care for another person they shouldn't care how old the kid is they are adopting.



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I really don't even get what the pro lifers are fighting for in the first place.. Even if abortion would become illegal nation-wide, this would not stop some women into going into desperate measures to fix desperate situations and go through some underground procedure that would make legal abortions look like baptisms. The fact is this, abortions are always going to be around whether we like it or not, like someone here said.. might as well keep it legal, so it could be kept clean and highly regulated. Like I said, I'm not promoting the use of abortion by any means. I think it should be used as a last resort, but the important thing is it needs to be kept legal for those extreme situations that call for it.



idiocracy is a great movie i only watched it because i loved office space so much. even though it is a comedy the movie makes some great points.



metallic cube. we are fighting because we don't want people to kill babies. a response to your assertion about back alley abortions provide by national right to life:

Response:
The numbers often used by pro-abortionists to back their claims are vast fabrications mostly made up by the pro-abortion lobby as admitted by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, founder of NARAL. The real numbers of deaths before 1973 are shockingly different. Thirty-nine women died of illegal abortions in 1972, the year before Roe v Wade. Those are thirty-nine tragedies along with their thirty-nine children who also died because of abortion's violence. The true reason the deaths have decreased from abortion isn't legalization, it was the widespread introduction of antibiotics into medicine that saved the lives of women who would have otherwise died of botched abortions. In fact, the main forms of abortions have changed very little since the middle of this century! The only thing that legalizing abortion did was to give abortionists the right to hang their shingle on the front door and stop using the back alley!

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@soccerdrew good thing for you your own mother did not see you as a parasite. no one could live completely on their own. or do you grow your own crops, hunt your own meat, make your own clothes, and i bet when you are sick you dont' go to the doctor right? no! then you would be a parasite on the medical community



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Parokki said:
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I'm pro-death



What, a serious discussion? I view access to abortion as a fundamental human right. Sadly it seems to be in the same bin along with gay rights and the others that the rest of the world have trouble accepting. I'm shocked to see young educated people seriously debate such a basic matter, but then again this is the internet.


you meant people in the united states, didnt you? from what i could see till now, most europeans here are a bit more liberal, but then the christian god only speaks to americans these days anyways.

i just wonder why these topics. next up: for or against prostitution, for or against flag burning, for or against advanced questioning methods. with the last one actually funnily reversed in opinions (usa:lovin it, rest: not so big on it).


 pro prostitution

nautral on flag burning, cant decide if its free speech or betrayal

agaisnt questioning tactics other than bribery if tips r true, due to the likeliness of lies

against the death penalty,  costs way too much, could kill an innocent

against assisted suicide, pro allowing living wills to ask for death in extreme cases

for drugs,  cant stop it and costs too much

for stronger boarders, we need to let in more smart people and less of everyone else (but not limit it to zero.  the amount of immigrant workers is oo high right now economically speaking). 

agaisnt helping non legal, non citizens other than medically. 

for gay marriage, again its a pro non having a choice in something that doesnt affect me (and has been actually been proven to improve society)

 



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Just wondering, from the pro-choice people:

Why exactly do we *need* abortions in the case of entirely social reasons? Wouldn't it make more sence to just carry the child to full term and have someone adopt it? We've seen through scientific studies that having abortions do indeed have consequences on women that go through them (even moreso than post-partem depression).

Why then can't they just carry these babies to full term, exactly?



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mrstickball said:
Just wondering, from the pro-choice people:

Why exactly do we *need* abortions in the case of entirely social reasons? Wouldn't it make more sence to just carry the child to full term and have someone adopt it? We've seen through scientific studies that having abortions do indeed have consequences on women that go through them (even moreso than post-partem depression).

Why then can't they just carry these babies to full term, exactly?


There are strong statistical correlations that suggest that abortion has drastically lowered the crime rate more than any other factor since the passage of Roe vs Wade. I believe the data correlates with other countries as well.

Most who used to get abortions wouldn't put up for adoption, and instead keep the child, or try and keep the child for a year or two, are forced to give it up and it becomes "unadoptable" by people who only want babies.

These people statistically more often than not live horrible horrible lives and become criminals.

Also, I'm not seeing how abortion being illegal will stop abortions. In most states you don't report that you are performing an abortion now.

Making abortion illegal will just make it the next "Prohibition Era".  Though without all the cool old timey music.



I agree there are no moral absolutes. There is only the personal perspective of right and wrong.

First of all, why does it matter when the heart starts beating? How is this the definition of when something should continue living. Have you taken basic biology? Up until months after conception there is practically no difference between all mammal embryos. The ONLY way you can say that early abortions end a human life is if you believe there is some spiritual entity that is tied to the life and is connected to th body at conception, which I don't.

If we lived in a society with religeous dogmas and social traditions that promoted abortions for any reasons, being against said traditions would be viewed as morally aprehensible. What you consider right and wrong is fine, but that does not mean they are universally right and wrong.

@ mrstickball

That is like me saying "Why do you NEED a religeon? Can't you just live your life until you die without believing in any higher being?"

Its not YOUR decision to make for other people, and just because you don't see a reason for it, or find it wrong doesn't mean everyone should.

Ask a vegitarian, they will say killing any living creature is morally wrong. But would most of you agree with that? Probably not (nor would I.)

Ask a hardcore islamic if its ok for a woman to wear a bikini, and none of them would say yes, but that doesn't mean we need to believe what they believe.

Ask a traditional mormon if its morally correct to have just one wife and they will say no.

Ask an atheist if its morally correct to condem millions of people to an eternity of torture simply because they do not believe in one specific thing, and you will get a unanimous no.

Why are you right and these people wrong?



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Metallicube said:
I really don't even get what the pro lifers are fighting for in the first place.. Even if abortion would become illegal nation-wide, this would not stop some women into going into desperate measures to fix desperate situations and go through some underground procedure that would make legal abortions look like baptisms. The fact is this, abortions are always going to be around whether we like it or not, like someone here said.. might as well keep it legal, so it could be kept clean and highly regulated. Like I said, I'm not promoting the use of abortion by any means. I think it should be used as a last resort, but the important thing is it needs to be kept legal for those extreme situations that call for it.

I don't understand why many pro-abortion folks make this argument.  You may as well ask why would we make robbery illegal when, after all, people are still going to do it?  Surely you don't believe that just because certain people are going to murder someone anyway we shouldn't make it illegal and do all we can to stop it.

I'm also not sure what you mean by "extreme situations."  According to the American Medical Association, abortion is never medically necessary.  There are super-rare circumstances, such as that detailed by ArtofAngels a few pages ago, where it's basically a choice between the mother's life and the child's.  In that case, since there are two lives equally at stake and obviously only one is able to choose what to do about that, I could understand allowing abortion.  But any other case is just not necessary at all; it is done for convenience, which makes me sick (killing for convenience).



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