To all Pro-choicers saying this argument.

"Does anybody have a right to tell someone else what to do with their body?"

It is another person's life, even if it is not fully developed yet. There are day after pills if someone makes a mistake, and birth control and condoms are 99% or so effective. Dont want a baby, then use both like me and my girl does to be safe. And to be even more effective, pull out as well. There are ways to prevent pregnancies, and I wouldnt doubt that like 90% of abortions, the mother is just stupid and doesnt use any kind of birth control.

Anyway, you all are arguing that no one can tell you what to do with your body, yet you cant commit suicide. And you especially cant endanger any one else's life, so inhumanizing? the fetus is jsut an excuse. You and no one will ever know when a fetus can feel pain, would you risk that? Why is it that once out of the womb, if you kill a new born, its murder, yet several weeks earlier it was not. Its mind baffling to me to think people support this.

One last point, when you state that "OMG Pro Life, you must support all life even animals! You hypocrites!' That is making it to the very extreme, just like the extreme Pro-Choice is in favor of all things choice. I could choose to kill anyone and everyone because no one has the right to tell me what I cant do. You see? You cant make extremists generalizations.

mrstickball said: fkusumot - We're discussing real, relevant life here, and not a random gamertag I use on XBL based off of my paintball career.

Oh, I apologize. I didn't know your choice of name wasn't relevant. I thought your gamertag might have been expressing some philosophy of yours, ironic or not.

If we start applying the law to undeveloped tissue in the same way that we would sentient human beings, then if a pregnant woman goes for a stroll around the block, trips and falls, and the fetus dies, then that's involuntary manslaughter.

If a couple uses the morning after pill and it doesn't work, then that would be attempted murder.

The only place where we can draw the line and maintain any matter of rationality is at birth. To suggest that we should give rights to undeveloped tissue is absurd and opens the door to all kinds of silliness.

Wojtas said: Pro choice, all the way. Pro-life enforcing unto others is really a bad thing. If my wife was facing death while in pregnancy and the only way to save her was to have an abortion, I would be the first person to perform it. As far as abortions for the sake that one can have an abortion...it's not my business. Besides, this world is really starting to get over populated. I mean, there are so many of us that most of us can't find a Wii....

 yep

Pro Choice

lol about the Wii 

Bursche said: Metallicube said: 100% pro choice. The government should say out of women's bodies. And why the hell do these pro lifers care so much about the fetus when half of them wouldn't give two craps about the baby once it's actually born?  I mean of course abortion isn't always the best option, but sometimes it's the only option, and it needs to be legal in the extreme cases like rape. And most pro lifer would argue "she shouldn't have had sex in the first place!!!1" but what's past is past, and the girl can't go back in time and fix what she did wrong. Sometimes abortion is the only viable option and it needs to be available otherwise there's going to be underground abortionists doing the procedures and it won't be pretty.  This is not holding the girl responsible. How will the girl feel next time she can have unprotected sex? "Well I dont care cause I can have another abortion that daddy will take care of..." She can fix what she did wrong. By havign the baby and putting it up for adoption. A child parentless is better than killing it off. No one is saying the extreme cases can not have abortions, but those girls who think of it as an easy way out shouldnt have that right.  Pro lifers want to save innocent children from being put to death even before they get the chance to live. To think of this is wrong, well then you are with the likes of murderers who do not value life.

And I think it's immoral to equate the life of a victim who has been murdered to a fetus, it's all about your perspective.. Im sorry but anyone who equates abortion to murder is at least part crazy in my mind. 

Look I'm not advocating that abortion should be just another form of birth control that should be used as opposed to adoption, but you gotta think, when a women wants to go through a harsh procedure such as abortion she probably has a very important reason to do so. I really doubt many women would just go through this procedure without giving it much serious thought. Abortion shouldn't be just a substitute for birth control pills, but for those extreme cases it needs to be legal, and many of the pro lifers don't even want that.

I'm all about saving fetuses as much as the next guy, but the bottom line is, a woman should have more rights than a fetus. 

I am Pro-Life

Pro-Choice actually is not pro choice at all, your not giving the thing thats life you are taking away any choice in it at all.

It sickens me how to "Pro-Choice" people are also generally the same people against the death penalty because they are pretty much saying they don't think its ok to kill criminals that we don't want because they have done horrible crimes but it is ok to kill babies if we don't want them.

"If we start applying the law to undeveloped tissue"

This isn't just an organ we're talking about. Its a distinct separate entity with its own 100% human DNA.

Your callous tone is what is most frightening about the pro-choice crowd. You clearly have no idea of whats at stake here.

Auron said: llewdebkram said: Pro life but there are circumstances when abortion should be allowed.  Agreed, my circumstances are rape, mother's health in danger and child's health in danger.

Agree on that, but still the woman has a choice

Pro life all the way.

Most abortions are done out of convience. LESS that 1/1000 abortions are done for rape/incest etc.. There are kids waiting to be adopted but they are not infants. There is a huge waiting list to adopt babies.

In short 1. Be responsible, don't have unprotected sex. or better yet don't have sex if you can't handle the consequences because no protection is 100%

2. if you find yourself pregnant do the responsible thing. choose adoption. don't murder your child. Women have terrbile health and mental problems after abortions, something that isn't widely talked about.

I have heard someone mention stem cells. There are tons of stems cells in the umbilical cord after a woman gives birth. They have begun harvesting those with mother's permission.

Abortion is a slippery slope. Some pro choice people have suggest that we allow infantcide in the first year of a babies life!! most would find that revolting, but the professor from (can't remember singer or somthing like that either harvard or yale i think) recently suggest this! all human life is precious

Babies are the most pure and innocent of all beings. If we as a society will not protect them we are doomed.

mrstickball said: fkusumot - We're discussing real, relevant life here, and not a random gamertag I use on XBL based off of my paintball career. Koffieboon - what about a 5 week old infant? If it was left on it's own, it'd die without nutrition - just like an unborn child. Even then, we've seen through many many accounts that infants born 23 weeks and such have survived due to great medical advances. At what point do we consider a fetus something worth caring about? When it has a 100% chance of living? 90%? 5%? When the mother deems so? When the baby can talk?

A 5-week-old infant is a sentient being. A fetus is not. It is undeveloped tissue that is, in fact, a part of its mother's body. Like I said before, the only place we can draw the line is at birth, when it becomes a sentient being and its body can carry on its life functions without the mother's body. Another thing to consider: a woman takes a vacation to Vegas, gets drunk, has a one-night stand with some random guy she met in a bar, then comes back home and finds out a few weeks later she's pregnant. She obviously doesn't know who the father is and will most likely never find out. She lives alone and has no one to turn to for financial assistance, so obviously she can't afford to carry the pregnancy to term because she'd have to miss time from work, and her job doesn't offer paid maternity leave. Yeah, she should have exercised more caution before she got naked with some dude, but accidents happen, and there needs to be a legal way to fix them. 
People who are pro-life too often try to take a moral high ground and argue based on their emotions rather than logic and rationality.