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Exactly.

Ape Escape (4?) is a really good series that would fit the platform aswell and they havent done it. It seems to have died off in terms of main platform.

This, exactly this.

On pricing, Sony did as much to box itself in as Nintendo's price cut did from the outside. And for what? Mobile technology is growing way too fast for a dedicated gaming handheld with static specs to win on hardware dazzle. Between that and the ridiculously expensive memory, they'd need stellar features and games to convince people to pick the system up--and some way to convince devs to create them when the 3DS and the smartphone/tablet market has so many more potential customers.

Sony itself isn't even doing enough on the software front IMO. Where the hell is God of War? Rachet and Clank? Infamous? Gran Turismo? That Sony and it's studios haven't come out swinging is probably part of the reason third-party devs aren't stepping up either. Why should they pick up the slack?

Isn't there a vita game in development by media molecule though? Are they not a a-team at sony or something?

What in the world is going on with this thread. Look, it is very simple and pretty much black and white.

The problem with Vita has been and will always be the pricing model. It is simple, you charge 300 for a console and then jack up the price of memory units and what you have is a recipe for sales failure.

Sales of phones and tables have absolutely no impact on hand held gaming. Well, not enough impact to be considered substancial. You guys are drastically overthinking this situation.

Games are games, we know both Vita and 3DS are going to have some games of interests and games that span almost every genre (from console type games to arcade type games to pick-up-and-play type games to unique to their platform type games) but what caused 3DS to struggle in the beginning (yes, MORE than a lack of games) was the 250 US price tag. Bottom line, that is too much for anyone not a hardcore Nintendo fan to pay. The same is said of Vita. The difference is, Nintendo dropped the price (and sales picked up athough phones/tablets are still, "in the same market") and Sony has decided to ignorantly maintain their pricing model.

That is your key difference, and now it may be too late for Sony to do anything (including dropping the price) to regain any momentum they once had going with Vita. 3DS is better established and dominating this generation, and even PSP has a better library of titles and a cheaper price making it a competitor.

You guys are killing me with this talk of phones/tablets hurting the hand held market. What hurts the hand held market is thee inflated entry price on new hardware and accessories. Jeesh!

My knowledge about the upcoming Vita games isn't very good. I know that up until now, the games that are supposed to be the system sellers were made by secondary teams (or at least a different developer than their console counterparts). This nearly always shows in the quality of the game, and thus their subsequent sales.

Media Molecule is making TearAway, which actually looks like it's fun and should bring in some sales. Media Molecule also made the LittleBigPlanet games in PS3 and PSP which were all three successful. The Vita version was apparently outsourced to a different developer (didn't know this last part, just checked on Wikipedia ). Made by another developer, LittleBigPlanet Vita now appears to be flopping, is it a coincidence? Too early to tell, but it should raise some eyebrows.

Gone are the days where you can just copy console style gaming on a handheld.  There are too many imitators out there, and yes, they do affect sales.  i.e folks with Galaxy S3s saying **** Vita, this phone is decent enough. So imagine in the next couple of years with even better phones...this is the same exact market for Vita, late teens/early-mid 20s with money to blow, that love expensive tech. They would rather upgrade their phone than stick with something "archaic" as Vita.

We knew this was coming, but most folks were in denial.  Nintendo it seems have adjusted, & 3DS is unique enough to where phones/tablets etc are not as much a threat to their business, but yes, they've been affected as well.  Sony needs to figure out how to market this thing properly.  IMO they need to continue pushing the Vita + PS3 (slim), maybe even bundling them, to extend PS3's life/pass up 360 and to show Vita's versatility. Lower the price obviously ($199), & bundle it with at least 8 or 16 gb memory.

I disagree with you on that part, imo the 3DS would have just fine with at least 2 big games. Imagine if the 3DS had Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 at launch, I think that would have been a hole different story.

What killed the 3DS at the beginning was the lack of big games, not saying the price wasn't a factor (because it was) but imo the games were more important than the price.  

I agree with the rest.

Wipeout 2048 was made by the console dev team yet it didn't set the sales books on fire. It is much more complicated than just who made what.

For example LBP Vita was made by Tarsier and Double 11 with help from Media Molecule. Almost every single review clearly states it is the best in the series and the optimal way to play (yet somehow they rate it lower?). Uncharted Golden Abyss was made by Sony Bend with a ton of help from Naughty Dog and is better than the first Uncharted. Both these games were outsourced to incredible teams resulting in great products yet they are doing just as good as Wipeout (or just as bad depending on how you look at it).

In the future we have Killzone: Mercenery coming and it is developed by the console team using the console engine. If this game doesn't outsell Uncharted and LBP then I think it will be safe to say the developer doesn't matter as long as the game is good.

*LBP PSP was outsourced.

Ok now I understand you better with Uncharted.

But what about Wipeout 2048 and LBP Vita? 2048 is a longer game than on PS3 while LBP VIta is a better game than on PS3. Sitting on my couch infront of my turned on PS3 with LBP already loaded I'd prefer to play the Vita version instead. Think of it as if Locoroco first came out on PS3 and then a sequal was made on the PSP. That's kinda how I feel LBP is, it belongs on a portable.

I fully agree with everything else you are saying. Games like Escape Plan and Gravity Rush are exactly those kind of games but of course we need more. Tearaway is coming next year which should be great plus a sequal to gravity rush has been announced. I believe it is healthy to have a mix of these "Patapon" type games as well as console games. The problem with PSP console games was they were inferior ports. Sony has outright said it doesn't want direct ports on Vita but instead exclusive games within a console IP. Uncharted and Assassin's Creed (and sadly BLOPs declassified) are prime examples.

*But right now I'm up at college without my PS3 so I'm very happy games like PSASBR are multiplat.