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Galaki on 12 October 2012
Soundwave said:

Obviously it's not good for Sony, but I imagine PS4 is a relatively straight forward piece of kit, probably mostly off the shelf PC parts (a 28nm 7xxx GPU, maybe 2GB GDDR5 + 2GB DDR3, decent CPU) optimized for gaming. 

Yeah. Sony could just post the list of parts so everyone can just go buy them at the nearest computer retailer and build their own PS4. Save Sony all the trouble of actually doing any R&D and all that silly production stuff.



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Kenology on 12 October 2012
DanneSandin said:

Regarding these last turn of events I'm gonna go a head and make a prediction.

PS4 will launch in October 2013.
It'll cost between 30.000 - 35.000 yen, which will be something like $/€349 - $/€399. Sony will be making a modest profit (at the very least) from the get go.
And it'll be about 5-6x as powerful as PS3 (<-- I have no idea if this is doable considering the price I just listed, it's just a hunch).
They might even launch a StreamStation for 15.000 - 20.000 yen ($/€199 - $/€249) without any Blu-ray and disc reading capabilities; this'll be a Gaikai console of sorts.

That's my thoughts regarding their financial situation.

It's certainly doable at that price. Sony just won't be making a modest profit, more like a massive loss on each system sold.



Soundwave on 12 October 2012
Galaki said:
Soundwave said:

Obviously it's not good for Sony, but I imagine PS4 is a relatively straight forward piece of kit, probably mostly off the shelf PC parts (a 28nm 7xxx GPU, maybe 2GB GDDR5 + 2GB DDR3, decent CPU) optimized for gaming. 

Yeah. Sony could just post the list of parts so everyone can just go buy them at the nearest computer retailer and build their own PS4. Save Sony all the trouble of actually doing any R&D and all that silly production stuff.


Those are the leaked specs for PS4 more or less. 



DanneSandin on 12 October 2012
Kenology said:
DanneSandin said:

Regarding these last turn of events I'm gonna go a head and make a prediction.

PS4 will launch in October 2013.
It'll cost between 30.000 - 35.000 yen, which will be something like $/€349 - $/€399. Sony will be making a modest profit (at the very least) from the get go.
And it'll be about 5-6x as powerful as PS3 (<-- I have no idea if this is doable considering the price I just listed, it's just a hunch).
They might even launch a StreamStation for 15.000 - 20.000 yen ($/€199 - $/€249) without any Blu-ray and disc reading capabilities; this'll be a Gaikai console of sorts.

That's my thoughts regarding their financial situation.

It's certainly doable at that price. Sony just won't be making a modest profit, more like a massive loss on each system sold.

So basically: 6x the power of PS3 for 35k yen = losing money?

But as far as I understand it the WiiU is 3-4x the power of PS3 and making a profit at 26k yen...?



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Kenology on 12 October 2012
DanneSandin said:
Kenology said:

It's certainly doable at that price. Sony just won't be making a modest profit, more like a massive loss on each system sold.

So basically: 6x the power of PS3 for 35k yen = losing money?

But as far as I understand it the WiiU is 3-4x the power of PS3 and making a profit at 26k yen...?

I doubt the Wii U is 3 or 4x more powerful than the PS3.  And yes, 6x the power of the PS3 would mean a black hole for Sony.  It's so ludicrous that they'll probably go that route.



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JGarret on 12 October 2012
Kenology said:
DanneSandin said:
Kenology said:

It's certainly doable at that price. Sony just won't be making a modest profit, more like a massive loss on each system sold.

So basically: 6x the power of PS3 for 35k yen = losing money?

But as far as I understand it the WiiU is 3-4x the power of PS3 and making a profit at 26k yen...?

I doubt the Wii U is 3 or 4x more powerful than the PS3.  And yes, 6x the power of the PS3 would mean a black hole for Sony.  It's so ludicrous that they'll probably go that route.

Why, Kenology?....I don´t understand all the technical jargon, but considering the PS3 is a 6 year old system, wouldn´t it be kinda easy to make a console that´s at least 3x more powerful and at the same time making a small profit with a, let´s say, $350 price tag?



se7en7thre3 on 12 October 2012

I think Sony should ditch PS4, and aim for something bigger, more flexible, resulting in the long term 10yr+ lifecycle they desire:

Playstation Vaio

Sony obviously has relied on certain tech to have an advantage over its main competition, but in this gen. blu ray was not  enough.  HTPC is the undeniable future for console gaming. Consoles have to put on as many hats as possible to avoid becoming "niche" again.  We see the direction its going with all the video provider content on PS360, and now Wii U's Nintendo TVii.  I can see a Vita-esque Vaio controller w/a small screen (keyboard essential) and trackball replacing the right analog stick. With Vaio entertainment you have it all, and can justify a $500 purchase.  If they really want flexibility Sony can offer different entry levels divided by graphics card power, (might i add must be designed in a way where its easily upgradable for the everyday user). Yes not every one likes PCs, but everyone NEEDS a PC.



Kenology on 12 October 2012
JGarret said:
Kenology said:
DanneSandin said:
Kenology said:

It's certainly doable at that price. Sony just won't be making a modest profit, more like a massive loss on each system sold.

So basically: 6x the power of PS3 for 35k yen = losing money?

But as far as I understand it the WiiU is 3-4x the power of PS3 and making a profit at 26k yen...?

I doubt the Wii U is 3 or 4x more powerful than the PS3.  And yes, 6x the power of the PS3 would mean a black hole for Sony.  It's so ludicrous that they'll probably go that route.

Why, Kenology?....I don´t understand all the technical jargon, but considering the PS3 is a 6 year old system, wouldn´t it be kinda easy to make a console that´s at least 3x more powerful and at the same time making a small profit with a, let´s say, $350 price tag?

I think if it was more 3 or 4x more powerful than the PS3, we'd see the leap immediately and we don't.  I could be wrong though.  Would be nice if I am.  But I highly doubt I am.



DanneSandin on 12 October 2012
Kenology said:
DanneSandin said:
Kenology said:

It's certainly doable at that price. Sony just won't be making a modest profit, more like a massive loss on each system sold.

So basically: 6x the power of PS3 for 35k yen = losing money?

But as far as I understand it the WiiU is 3-4x the power of PS3 and making a profit at 26k yen...?

I doubt the Wii U is 3 or 4x more powerful than the PS3.  And yes, 6x the power of the PS3 would mean a black hole for Sony.  It's so ludicrous that they'll probably go that route.

how much more powerful do you reckon wiiu will be then? and how much more powerful do you think ps4 will be?



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CChaos on 12 October 2012

Yikes.

So S&P has them at BBB (two above Junk), Moody's has them at Baa2 (two above Junk) and, according to an article from December 2011, Fitch has Sony sitting at a BBB- rating, which is one level above Junk status. In a rather scary little tell, Fitch cut Sharp to BBB- at the same time, so it's a wonder how much time until Sony might hit below investment grade for them.

Not a great position to be in.