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Baron said:
HoloDust said:
 

Sorry, can't and won't discuss with you anymore on scores of 4850 vs e6760 - it just has no point, 3DMark database is big enough to check stock 4850 against every and any CPU you like and find its GPU score, and than do the same for 6570/6650m/6750m - if you want to keep insisting that it's not the same GPU and that results I have shown you are not at stock speeds, so be it, I honestly couldn't care less anymore.


Just answer me this. Do you trully believe a stock 4850 can outperform a stock 4850 with a faster cpu? Or a heavily overclocked 4850. When you started debating you even said the 4850 scores were in the 9500+ department... What happened to that?

I've showed you numerous scores that prove a stock 4850 won't do 7500+ with a 620. I've also showed you 3dmark doesn't always record correct speeds (it even records incorrect speeds most of the time). But if you wanna believe you're right, fine. Just don't come spouting your nonsense here unless you can back them up with real facts.... Which you obviously can't.

And I never said the e6760 doesn't have the same chip as the 6570 or 6750m btw. I just said it clearly performs a lot better. As evident by it's Vantage score. Whether that's because of architectural enhancements or not doesn't really matter.

Seeing as Vantage the only benchmark result we have of the e6760 and how that's far higher than the 6570 I'll compare that score to other cards only. I won't look at weaker cards and say "That's what it's capable off".

As for embedded...LOL...you do know that test system for that "miraculous" P score of 5870 included GA-MA770T-UD3P...regular AM3+ motherboard..not sure how can you put e6760 into that board...so I guess they had to use this: http://www.amd.com/us/products/embedded/graphics-processors/Pages/radeon-e6760-pci.aspx which has "Features and performance of AMD Radeon™ E6760 embedded discrete GPU"....oh snap, what have I done, now you gonna say that cause it was test with PCI Express card, true "embedded" solution has even more performance...because it's "embedded", naturally...

You're absolutely right. An embedded solution has absolutely no advantages compared to a regular expansian card... What was AMD thinking when they developed it. Don't they realize customers will just buy the 6750m instead? Seeing as that's entirely the same.... Right?

Actually I've started with the statement that 4850 is around 1.4x more powerfull than e6760, way before I actually posted that 9500+ result....which I admit was hasty mistake on my part, cause I haven't looked at details of those results. Now, I know where you got the idea that e6760 is as powerfull as 4850....I have seen this statement back in the past, and I'm sure I'll be seeing it again....old 4850 drivers were giving really shity Vantage results, and since that's only thing people can compare e6760 against (without doing some indepth research), they jump to conclusion, without checking other sources. Now, I went through insane amount of scores in 3DMark database with all sort of different CPUs and what I stated here is what I've seen - GPU score of stock 4850 is around 7300-7400 on average. Low scores you gave me (and I witnessed on numerous occasions) all have "It looks like your PC should score better" message, so excuse me for not taking them as given.

As for e6760 performing better than 6570/6650m/6750m...it doesn't...all you have is one (manufacturer's) P score, and your belief that there is some miracoulous enhacement involved making it something different than generic Turks based GPU, with only one difference of having memory embedded on same BGA...though it's the same 480:24:8 config, with exactly same GFLOPS performance as 6650m/6750m (or downclocked 6570) and exactly same memory bandwith as 6750m (600/800) or downclocked 6570 GDDR5 (600/800). What's the difference between it and mobile solutions? It has embedded memory on it - smaller form factor and low-power usage optimization. But (here's the shocker)....same performance.

Now, as I told you before, I couldn't care less. Someone back in June stated it's clocked at 800+ (essentialy becoming 6670) and that would put it in 4850 teritory. So, no matter what, I hope you enjoy your WiiU as much as I would (eventually) mine....



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Baron said:

Just answer me this. Do you trully believe a stock 4850 can outperform a stock 4850 with a faster cpu? Or a heavily overclocked 4850.

yes, in 3DMark that's easily possible if it uses a newer driver version, because GPU manufacturers heavily fine tune their drivers in order to get higher scores

that's one of the reasons why credible PC sites don't use 3DMark or other synthetic benchmarks (= not a game or a game engine) to determine which card is better, they use games



JazzB1987 said:
So is this actually true and confirmed by now or do we still argue about it being a fake etc?

I just send an email to AMD so lets see if and what they tell me.


Depends on how much you trust wikipedia.

According to the wii u wiki page.

Technical specifications

Nintendo has released technical specifications of the Wii U hardware, which are listed below. These specifications are subject to change.

Processors
  • GPU: AMD Radeon enhanced E6760+ GPGPU
  •  The Wii U CPU is designed by IBM. It is described by IBM as an "all-new, Power-based microprocessor", the processor is a multi-core design manufactured at 45 nm with an eDRAM cache. Neither Nintendo nor IBM has revealed detailed specifications, such as the number of cores, clock rate, or cache sizes. References have been made to the chip containing "a lot" of eDRAM and "the same processor technology found in Watson". The Wii U CPU will be produced by IBM at their 300 mm semiconductor manufacturing facility in East Fishkill, New York.

Recently their have been reports that it is not a Power7 but based on Power architecture. I have reasons to doubt this but not totally.

Ultimately this will go on...and on...and on until all is confirmed.



justinian said:


Depends on how much you trust wikipedia.

According to the wii u wiki page.

Technical specifications

Nintendo has released technical specifications of the Wii U hardware, which are listed below. These specifications are subject to change.

Processors

I just edited it back.  That GPU is not confirmed at all.



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Viper1 said:
justinian said:


Depends on how much you trust wikipedia.

According to the wii u wiki page.

Technical specifications

Nintendo has released technical specifications of the Wii U hardware, which are listed below. These specifications are subject to change.

Processors

I just edited it back.  That GPU is not confirmed at all.

but it's still excitingly close speculation! :D I personally don't think it's too far off, they could be based on the same process, just heavily modified.



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Viper1 said:
justinian said:


Depends on how much you trust wikipedia.

According to the wii u wiki page.

Technical specifications

Nintendo has released technical specifications of the Wii U hardware, which are listed below. These specifications are subject to change.

Processors

I just edited it back.  That GPU is not confirmed at all.

I knew wiki couldn't be trusted but this is ridiculous. I was hoping someone had inside info.

What about the power7 CPU?

Should that not be changed as well to IBM Power CPU or something?

And indicating that these specs are from Ninty's mouth are also misleading.



justinian said:
JazzB1987 said:
So is this actually true and confirmed by now or do we still argue about it being a fake etc?

I just send an email to AMD so lets see if and what they tell me.


Depends on how much you trust wikipedia.

According to the wii u wiki page.

Technical specifications

Nintendo has released technical specifications of the Wii U hardware, which are listed below. These specifications are subject to change.

Processors
  • GPU: AMD Radeon enhanced E6760+ GPGPU
  •  The Wii U CPU is designed by IBM. It is described by IBM as an "all-new, Power-based microprocessor", the processor is a multi-core design manufactured at 45 nm with an eDRAM cache. Neither Nintendo nor IBM has revealed detailed specifications, such as the number of cores, clock rate, or cache sizes. References have been made to the chip containing "a lot" of eDRAM and "the same processor technology found in Watson". The Wii U CPU will be produced by IBM at their 300 mm semiconductor manufacturing facility in East Fishkill, New York.

Recently their have been reports that it is not a Power7 but based on Power architecture. I have reasons to doubt this but not totally.

Ultimately this will go on...and on...and on until all is confirmed.


I dont trust Wikipedia at all  at least the German version. The German wikipedia for instance is full of idiots thats write shit all day write down stuff that is in no way confirmed at all and then block the articles if people try to remove the unconfirmed stuff.....    its so annoying I stopped donating (because it allows idiots to have control) and I stopped writing there too   It was just to annyoing...

I dont know about the English Wikipedia editors etc. tho... because I never wrote something for the English wikipedia. I also feel that my English is not good enough for it. 

If I have to personally use it  I only use the English ersion now but I dont use wikipedia much.

Back to topic:
So its still a rumor ....  and I am still waiting for AMD to reply to my email. 



justinian said:
Viper1 said:
justinian said:


Depends on how much you trust wikipedia.

According to the wii u wiki page.

Technical specifications

Nintendo has released technical specifications of the Wii U hardware, which are listed below. These specifications are subject to change.

Processors

I just edited it back.  That GPU is not confirmed at all.

I knew wiki couldn't be trusted but this is ridiculous. I was hoping someone had inside info.

What about the power7 CPU?

Should that not be changed as well to IBM Power CPU or something?

And indicating that these specs are from Ninty's mouth are also misleading.

Yes, the power7 bit should also be taken down since that rumor was recently killed by IBM.



TheShape31 said:
justinian said:
Viper1 said:
justinian said:


Depends on how much you trust wikipedia.

According to the wii u wiki page.

Technical specifications

Nintendo has released technical specifications of the Wii U hardware, which are listed below. These specifications are subject to change.

Processors

I just edited it back.  That GPU is not confirmed at all.

I knew wiki couldn't be trusted but this is ridiculous. I was hoping someone had inside info.

What about the power7 CPU?

Should that not be changed as well to IBM Power CPU or something?

And indicating that these specs are from Ninty's mouth are also misleading.

Yes, the power7 bit should also be taken down since that rumor was recently killed by IBM.


No, no leave it. And change the GPU to a AMD HD7970. :)



TheShape31 said:
justinian said:
Viper1 said:
justinian said:


Depends on how much you trust wikipedia.

According to the wii u wiki page.

Technical specifications

Nintendo has released technical specifications of the Wii U hardware, which are listed below. These specifications are subject to change.

Processors

I just edited it back.  That GPU is not confirmed at all.

I knew wiki couldn't be trusted but this is ridiculous. I was hoping someone had inside info.

What about the power7 CPU?

Should that not be changed as well to IBM Power CPU or something?

And indicating that these specs are from Ninty's mouth are also misleading.

Yes, the power7 bit should also be taken down since that rumor was recently killed by IBM.

IBM didn't say it wasn't Power7.  That last tweet only said Power....which could mean anything.   

 

The GPU stuff has been pure rumor.  Even if they are true, you can't post rumors on Wiki.



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