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ganoncrotch said:
poroporo said:
fillet said:
poroporo said:
selnor said:
poroporo said:
selnor said:
Can you explain why there is a 12gb? And who the hell at Sony okayed this?

You cant play all the games, you need a HDD for mandatory installs.


You guys don't seem to be familiar with the 4GB xbox 360. 

You can play every 360 game without installs.

So with the 4gb 360 you can save all your games and play every game.

With the PS3 you have titles with mandatory installs. Quite alot. Which means you cant play all games on Ps3 12 gb flash memory.

Insane.

 

Try playing co-op Halo Reach on a 4gb. Try playing a MMO such as FFXI on a 4gb. 

Try downloading any DLC. Want to pop in a 250gb hard drive afterwards? That'll be $112.99 for the proprietary hard drive instead of $59.99 if you would have bought a 12gb ps3.


If you don't mind paying for DLC.

You likely won't mind paying for an overpriced hard drive. :p

Each has its own target audience. There's no alternative to buying a DLC (either you do or you don't). On the other hand, a $52 premium on a hard drive means you probably should have bought the bigger xbox right away.

Game performance (cutscenes, texture loads, etc.) is also affected if you don't install some games to a hard drive. Also not a fan of the laser wearing out early in the console's life because it's constantly being sollicited...

I myself bought a 250GB 360S last week. Can't wait to get my hands on it -- haven't touched it yet. 

if you are talking about going a cheaper way to avoid shelling out for harddrive alternatives you can get a 16gb flash drive for about 8euros here and the xbox can set it up to be used for dlc no bothers and 16gb is more than enough for the store content.

 

also the bolded text.... what? there is more likely to be damage done to a consoles drive by being inactive and left alone for dust to gather on the lens than there ever would be by playing games using the drive. I've never heard of a single drive this generation to die of too much reading with the exception of early wiis modified to read actual dvds using the dvdx software... but that was damage because the drive wasn't meant to read those format of disks.

Dust can be cleaned off. Normal physical wear will inevitably happen on a dvd drive. Since 360 drives have a unique matching serial number, they cannot be replaced (unless you have cloning equipment). A dead hard drive, on the other hand, is easily replaceable. 

Many  different types of hardware failures are possible: calibration issues, motor issues, etc. In the past, some x360 drives were scratching discs, etc.

Drives can and will eventually fail; 4GB models, because they don't have a hard drive, are statistically more prone to drive failure because they use it more often than 360's with the games installed on them.



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poroporo said:
ganoncrotch said:
poroporo said:
fillet said:
poroporo said:
selnor said:
poroporo said:
selnor said:
Can you explain why there is a 12gb? And who the hell at Sony okayed this?

You cant play all the games, you need a HDD for mandatory installs.


You guys don't seem to be familiar with the 4GB xbox 360. 

You can play every 360 game without installs.

So with the 4gb 360 you can save all your games and play every game.

With the PS3 you have titles with mandatory installs. Quite alot. Which means you cant play all games on Ps3 12 gb flash memory.

Insane.

 

Try playing co-op Halo Reach on a 4gb. Try playing a MMO such as FFXI on a 4gb. 

Try downloading any DLC. Want to pop in a 250gb hard drive afterwards? That'll be $112.99 for the proprietary hard drive instead of $59.99 if you would have bought a 12gb ps3.


If you don't mind paying for DLC.

You likely won't mind paying for an overpriced hard drive. :p

Each has its own target audience. There's no alternative to buying a DLC (either you do or you don't). On the other hand, a $52 premium on a hard drive means you probably should have bought the bigger xbox right away.

Game performance (cutscenes, texture loads, etc.) is also affected if you don't install some games to a hard drive. Also not a fan of the laser wearing out early in the console's life because it's constantly being sollicited...

I myself bought a 250GB 360S last week. Can't wait to get my hands on it -- haven't touched it yet. 

if you are talking about going a cheaper way to avoid shelling out for harddrive alternatives you can get a 16gb flash drive for about 8euros here and the xbox can set it up to be used for dlc no bothers and 16gb is more than enough for the store content.

 

also the bolded text.... what? there is more likely to be damage done to a consoles drive by being inactive and left alone for dust to gather on the lens than there ever would be by playing games using the drive. I've never heard of a single drive this generation to die of too much reading with the exception of early wiis modified to read actual dvds using the dvdx software... but that was damage because the drive wasn't meant to read those format of disks.

Dust can be cleaned off. Normal physical wear will inevitably happen on a dvd drive. Since 360 drives have a unique matching serial number, they cannot be replaced (unless you have cloning equipment). A dead hard drive, on the other hand, is easily replaceable. 

Many  different types of hardware failures are possible: calibration issues, motor issues, etc. In the past, x360 some drives were scratching discs, etc.

Drives can and will eventually fail; 4GB models, because they don't have a hard drive, are statistically more prone to drive failure because they use it more often than 360's with the games installed on them.


this is just completely unfounded outside of your own opinion, the same could be said that the 4gb model is never going to suffer the stress of reading an entire disc at once which is only done ever during the installing process as such they would avoid such stress and not buckle under it.



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selnor said:
poroporo said:
selnor said:
Can you explain why there is a 12gb? And who the hell at Sony okayed this?

You cant play all the games, you need a HDD for mandatory installs.


You guys don't seem to be familiar with the 4GB xbox 360. 

You can play every 360 game without installs.

So with the 4gb 360 you can save all your games and play every game.

With the PS3 you have titles with mandatory installs. Quite alot. Which means you cant play all games on Ps3 12 gb flash memory.

Insane.

You can't play all of them online with the 4GB version some require you have a HD.
But someone beat me to that... nothing really for me to add....



ganoncrotch said:
poroporo said:
ganoncrotch said:
poroporo said:
fillet said:
poroporo said:
selnor said:
poroporo said:
selnor said:
Can you explain why there is a 12gb? And who the hell at Sony okayed this?

You cant play all the games, you need a HDD for mandatory installs.


You guys don't seem to be familiar with the 4GB xbox 360. 

You can play every 360 game without installs.

So with the 4gb 360 you can save all your games and play every game.

With the PS3 you have titles with mandatory installs. Quite alot. Which means you cant play all games on Ps3 12 gb flash memory.

Insane.

 

Try playing co-op Halo Reach on a 4gb. Try playing a MMO such as FFXI on a 4gb. 

Try downloading any DLC. Want to pop in a 250gb hard drive afterwards? That'll be $112.99 for the proprietary hard drive instead of $59.99 if you would have bought a 12gb ps3.


If you don't mind paying for DLC.

You likely won't mind paying for an overpriced hard drive. :p

Each has its own target audience. There's no alternative to buying a DLC (either you do or you don't). On the other hand, a $52 premium on a hard drive means you probably should have bought the bigger xbox right away.

Game performance (cutscenes, texture loads, etc.) is also affected if you don't install some games to a hard drive. Also not a fan of the laser wearing out early in the console's life because it's constantly being sollicited...

I myself bought a 250GB 360S last week. Can't wait to get my hands on it -- haven't touched it yet. 

if you are talking about going a cheaper way to avoid shelling out for harddrive alternatives you can get a 16gb flash drive for about 8euros here and the xbox can set it up to be used for dlc no bothers and 16gb is more than enough for the store content.

 

also the bolded text.... what? there is more likely to be damage done to a consoles drive by being inactive and left alone for dust to gather on the lens than there ever would be by playing games using the drive. I've never heard of a single drive this generation to die of too much reading with the exception of early wiis modified to read actual dvds using the dvdx software... but that was damage because the drive wasn't meant to read those format of disks.

Dust can be cleaned off. Normal physical wear will inevitably happen on a dvd drive. Since 360 drives have a unique matching serial number, they cannot be replaced (unless you have cloning equipment). A dead hard drive, on the other hand, is easily replaceable. 

Many  different types of hardware failures are possible: calibration issues, motor issues, etc. In the past, x360 some drives were scratching discs, etc.

Drives can and will eventually fail; 4GB models, because they don't have a hard drive, are statistically more prone to drive failure because they use it more often than 360's with the games installed on them.


this is just completely unfounded outside of your own opinion, the same could be said that the 4gb model is never going to suffer the stress of reading an entire disc at once which is only done ever during the installing process as such they would avoid such stress and not buckle under it.

Reading an entire disc at once: Sequential access (linear, constant/regular motor speed, etc.)

Gameplay is closer to random access, which means higher stress on the motor (lots of variation in speed, stop/start, etc.)

 

Ask yourself this question: Between driving a car at a constant 50mph on the highway or going through heavy traffic, which is more stressful for your engine/transmission? This is the same as a drive spinning up and down at high intervals. 

Nevertheless, It is my (fact-based) opinion and my money. Consequently, I bought the 250gb version. 

 



kowenicki said:
I don't get this 12gb model. 229euros. People have been picking up The current slim with much more memory for less than that. It feels like a price increase doesn't it?


160gig is $250

320gig is $300

The Super Slims are..
250gig at $270
500gig at $300

So only a price increase on the low-end model. But I got a feeling there's is a lot of room for a price cut(especially on the 250gig). Most likely around Wii U launch.



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@VGKing You think Sony is going to release the 250gig now at $270 only to cut the price later when WiiU launches? Are you really that desperate for a price cut from them?



not gonna continue to quote that huge block mr poro :D but the xbox hardware to be honest is as likely to be affected by a passing breeze as different rates of reading discs, I still have my original elite model pre HDMI port on it, my bro got one same day as me and it died just as the slim came out so he got a slim 250g I think it was at the time, which had it's drive fail and need to be returned for refurbishing. Xbox360 hardware is just a case of hope and care really :D Why I say that the amount of reading a 360 laser can do before it dies.... well I've still not had an issue and here are the handful of games that been through my system :D

http://imgur.com/WXiFQ
and yeah like I said the thing is at least 4 years old at this stage and only thing I did to it was replace the hdd with a 120gb one since when I bought it the top of the line was 60gb I do install games if I know I'll be in it for ages like skyrim or fallout but for the most part just play from disc. I will give you the point on the car tho, I see entirely what you mean by unexpected speeds and jumps and I do agree that could be more stressful than just a full 100% read.



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ganoncrotch said:


I heard that the Jasper elites were among the best 360 revisions, especially when it comes to heat production/dissipation. Glad to hear that you have a durable model -- and a very nice-looking collection. That "passing breeze" tidbit brought a huge smile on my face. The thing is, I'm so used to dealing with broken hardware that I take very very good care of my stuff :)

Paranoid! haha.



VGKing said:
kowenicki said:
I don't get this 12gb model. 229euros. People have been picking up The current slim with much more memory for less than that. It feels like a price increase doesn't it?


160gig is $250

320gig is $300

The Super Slims are..
250gig at $270
500gig at $300

So only a price increase on the low-end model. But I got a feeling there's is a lot of room for a price cut(especially on the 250gig). Most likely around Wii U launch.


But remember that those are bundles, there's no official price on the stand alone new super slim I'm going to guess that after the holydays the 250GB stand alone super slim will cost 250$ and the 500GB stand alone super slim will stay at 300$.



poroporo said:
ganoncrotch said:


I heard that the Jasper elites were among the best 360 revisions, especially when it comes to heat production/dissipation. Glad to hear that you have a durable model -- and a very nice-looking collection. That "passing breeze" tidbit brought a huge smile on my face. The thing is, I'm so used to dealing with broken hardware that I take very very good care of my stuff :)

Paranoid! haha.


I know man I'm the same with mine, I always do have a thought in my mind when you hear horror storys of consoles ripping up discs just get an image in my head of people jumping up and down with it in their hands as it tries to load, I still have pretty much every game and console that I've ever had as a gift or bought myself in my 29 years on this planet, my original pong machine still works with its lil speaker on the unit and wheely paddle things, still looks nice on a 42inch hd screen haha... just blinding because the cables for it's controllers are maybe 6 inchs long but still, I'm rediculously careful and respectful of any hardware I own. I think a lot of peoples issues with hardware could be user related at times.

 

....... ughhhhh just remembered that post is 99% true... sigh http://imgur.com/ICju9 as much as my master system 2 is rushing to help it's fallen brother... that's what remains of my original psp1000 literally played to death, the ribbon that runs under the screen and has start/select and the brightness buttons just ripped from being pressed too many times, woke up one morning and just found the thing completely messed up, got a replacement ribbon from ebay for it but the chinese knock off I got ended up breaking where it goes onto the pcb too, a very sad day and I think it was replaced in about 5 mins giving it takes 4 mins to find my shoes and the game shop here is about 20 mins away from my house love my psp.... lost my disgaea save tho.... damn thing was locked to the dead psp so had to restart that.

 

But yeah! I'm a fellow fan of minding hardware above and beyond the call of duty! love gamin too much lol.



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