14 million... that's very optimistic.

I am expecting more like 12.5 million (and if you click the link in my sig not many are predicting over 13 million)

@Crazzy: PS3 is already about 2M behind, what gives you the idea it won't fall back further compared to PS2 in 2001? So far it did about 80% of PS1 over the whole of 2008, which would put it at just under 13M for 2008. And if we look at last month it only sold around 65% of PS2 totals in 2001. If that trend continues into the holiday season it will only just get over 10M for the whole of 2008. Now in my opinion a more realistic prediction will put it in between those numbers, somewhere between 11 and 12M for 2008.

@koffieboon, so far,

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 06th Jan 2001 to 03rd Nov 2001:

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Jan 2008 to 01st Nov 2008:

If you remove Japan, then PS3 (NA+EU) sales in 2008 = PS2 (NA+EU) sales in 2001, so far.

then PS2 in Japan,

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 10th Nov 2001 to 29th Dec 2001:

and last year PS3,

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 10th Nov 2007 to 29th Dec 2007:

And last year Japan didn`t have ALL PS3 80GB models bundled with GT5P Spec III, neither LBP bundles(which still have potential), and incoming PES2009 bundle + WKC on track.

CrazyMan

You have previously rejected region-specific analysis.
Now you are using it to support your supposition.

You cannot do that and be taken seriously.

Especially since the PS2 had a much more staggered release worldwide than the PS3.

Mike from Morgantown

mike_intellivision,

If you remove Japan, then PS3 (NA+EU) sales in 2008 = PS2 (NA+EU) sales in 2001, so far - FACT.

Other excuses don`t interest me.

removing Japan now... this is getting too much Crazzy... the whole reason people are laughing at the comparison you make in this thread is because you have used the difference in launch dates for different regions to compare the early sales of PS2 to much later sales of PS3.

2008 PS3 is not a valid comparison to 2001 for PS2 for reasons I have already mentioned a few pages back.

For instance, check out this point I made about PS2 attach ratio compared to Wii.... I compared the PS2 production shipment data up to September 2002 with the sales (to retail) data for the Wii up to September 2008.... that comparison actually gives the PS2 an advantage slightly because it roughly aligns launches for both consoles in America and Europe (to within a month) but gives the PS2 an 8 month lead in Japan. So it does give the PS2 a slight advantage (and it still loses out to Wii for attach ratio) but it's a lot more fair than if I compared Wii 2008 to PS2 2001.... which would seemingly show the Wii crushing PS2, but despite my bias toward Wii over Sony consoles I don't.

TWRoO,
again
2nd year PS3 (US+EU) sales = 2nd year PS2 (US+EU).
FACT.
you just can`t deny that.

I can't deny PS3(2008) is doing well and comparable to PS2(2001) but I can deny that those are the second years
of the respective consoles.

The PS2 was only launched in Europe and America 1-2 months before 2001 started, wheras before 2008 started PS3 had been out for 9 months in Europe and 13 months in America.

The difference in dates gives the PS3 a massive advantage of time. So making it the main point of your thread is what is making this thread into the farce it is.

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For instance: What if the dates of the launches were all moved back 3 months (all 6 launches for the 2 consoles) but that the big events of the year (Christmas etc) were also moved back 3 months.... meaning the year basically starts on April 1st like it does for tax.

That way your skewed logic about how only the FULL year with it released in all territories counts, would mean you would be forced to compare PS2 sales from April 2001 through to March 2002, with PS3 from March 2007 through April 2008.

Hell, I shall do that for you =)))

PS3 doesn't look so healthy now... about half the sales of PS2.

I like how he keeps changing the criteria in this thread to prove his "point".  Unfortunately, nothing we say or do is going to change his tactics.  He refuses to see that the PS3 is not doing as well as the PS2.  While it is certainly doing better than it was, there's no chance in Hades that it will ever match the PS2.