Everyone, leave him be. If he wants to run this thread, on what is a potentially flawed analysis - let him. There really shouldn't be *any* debate comparing the PS3 performance to the PS2 - it should be comparing the PS3 with the GC:

(Japan)
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=GC&reg3=Japan&weeks=156

(Other)
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=Total+Other&cons2=PS3&reg2=Total+Other&cons3=GC&reg3=Total+Other&weeks=156

(US)
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=America&cons2=PS3&reg2=America&cons3=GC&reg3=America&weeks=156

Its easy to see that the PS3 is tracking *exactly* like the GC - in the US & Japan anyway.

shams said: Everyone, leave him be. If he wants to run this thread, on what is a potentially flawed analysis - let him. There really shouldn't be *any* debate comparing the PS3 performance to the PS2 - it should be comparing the PS3 with the GC: (Japan) http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=GC&reg3=Japan&weeks=156 (Other) http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=Total+Other&cons2=PS3&reg2=Total+Other&cons3=GC&reg3=Total+Other&weeks=156 (US) http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=America&cons2=PS3&reg2=America&cons3=GC&reg3=America&weeks=156 Its easy to see that the PS3 is tracking *exactly* like the GC - in the US & Japan anyway.

 however, I even think that PS3 will eventually sell dbl as much GC did so I expect it to track higher in the coming months

You're pathetic. It hurts, but it is the truth.

If you want to show PS3 will do amazing sales, use factual graphs! You're looking at total sales, but that's not a good analysis! Why don't we compare when PS2 was out in all regions and PS3 as well? Maybe that will show PS3 winning? No. PS3 is selling worse than PS2. FACT! Otherwise it would have sold twice as much by now.

Total sales are flawed for this because it doesn't show total sales! It shows launches at different times! To find ACTUAL total sales, go region by region and add them up. That will be a better comprasion for both.

viper, but the ps3 first 4 months in 2008 are 4 months and the ps2 first in 2001 are still 4 months :)

agree with you that ps2 had a better launch but now we're discussing if ps3 weekly sales have matchet ps2 weekly sales the first year that the console is out in all territories

and what was the ps2 price in early 2001?

CrazzyMan said: @Viper1, And PS3 with Wii were launched in November 2006, but ON MAIN PAGE you see x360 sales of (Japan = 122 months) + (America = 126 months) + (Euro = 125 months) compared to PS3 sales of (Japan = 78 months) + (America = 77 months) + (Euro = 58 months). And it`s ok, Even if PS3 was launched later in Europe? In other words you CAN`T compare PS3 sales with wii or x360 because PS3 was selling less months in Europe. About PS2 and PS3. By the middle of March 2007 PS3 in others after (4 month) sold 30k. You see? Month doesn`t matter in reality. That why PS3 = 21,518,652 / 73 months doesn`t show the real picture.

 Well duh.  The main page is about the console sales individually.  The main page is not a comparison chart as you are making it out to be.

 As for comparing sales of PS3/Wii and X360, I think you'll find most of use a differnt metric than total sales anyway.  We use something that is logically comparable such as time frames,  territorial breakdowns, etc...  I don't think any of us simply look at X360 at 19 million and PS3 at 12 million and instantly proclaim X360 is the better selling system.  We look at more specific detailsuch as averages over time to comapre with

 

But it's apparent you aren't going to understand or will intentionally ingore this.

 

EDIT: @John Doe.  I get that actually and admitted at the end of my post that a weekly sales comaprison is valid provided he udnerstand certain things.  I posted what I did in context to what he posted recently and not directly at the point of the thread.

@dtewi,
so WHY it`s wrong to take 45th week since launch of PS2 and 61st week since launch of PS3 and comapre them till 97th week since launch of PS2 and 113th week since launch of PS3 to look how PS2 and PS3 were doing during same time of year(spring, summer, autumn, winter) with having same BIG games released like GTA4, MGS4, GT5P, DMC4 and etc?

Do you people understand, that you at all CAN`T compare systems since launch in every region, BECAUSE consoles were launched at DIFFERENT time, with DIFFERENT price, with DIFFERENT competitors?!

All i did, just decided to look(i`m not comparing) how PS2 and PS3 are doing at COMMON time since launch. =)
If you don`t understand that, then you have nothing to do in this thread. =)

The launches for the regions were at seperate times!

If you want a good comparison, compare the launches in each region. It will show how PS3 will really sell.

Sorry, but this is getting me pretty mad. It's pretty enfuriating when people misuse facts to show incorrect "logic".

Do you really think PS3 will sell like PS2? Honestly? From your misconstrewed graph?

No, no. I'm not arguing anymore. It's shouting at a brick wall. The comparsions are not good because they do not have parallels.

For a comparison, you need parallels. Things that are the same. You need more than timeframe. You need regions available, supply, etc. You are using one parallel to misconstrew facts. That is cherry picking. Cherry picking =/= reality.

CrazzyMan said: All i did, just decided to look(i`m not comparing) how PS2 and PS3 are doing at COMMON time since launch. =) If you don`t understand that, then you have nothing to do in this thread. =)

And this is valid so long as you understand it's arbitrary and not a valid tool for overall comparison.  I've already agreed that a week to week comparison is fine but you have to add the context that it is nothing more than exactly that.

 A weekly sales comaprison between 2 consoles from 2 given year periods.   When you try to suggest it means more or don't take into consideration the territorial reelases and such, it fails.

 

Your thread is OK, just make sure you understand the context yourself.

1) 2008 is first year, when PS3 will be selling WW for FULL year - 2001 was first year, when PS2 was selling WW for FULL year. (1st parallel)
2) In 2001 were released BIG games like MGS2, GTA3, FFX, DMC, GT3. Games like MGS4, GTA4, FFXIII, DMC4, GT5 also aimed to 2008. (2nd parallel)
3) 45th week since PS2 launch in January 2001 is very close to 61st week since PS3 launch in January 2008. (3rd parallel)

THESE 3 common/parallel things are ENOUGH FOR ME.
IF it`s not enough for you, it`s your problem, make you OWN thread. :)


Which are very close(16 weeks) difference, to be considered as same years.

This all because of 16 weeks? Or because PS3 was selling more weeks in usa/europe then PS2? Yes it has, but HOW this effect the period since 45th ps2 week and 61st ps3 week?