NJ5 said: CrazzyMan said: (...) Overall: 2000 PS2 = 2007 PS3. 2001 PS2 = 2008 PS3. (...) So that implies PS2<=PS3 (since you didn't mention 2006), which means we can indeed use the graphs I posted before.

    Sorry but can not count a few weeks as year, so Crazzy is correct to discount it

Watch out, PS2 has some big exclusives coming down the pipeline. At this point, did GT3 come out yet? MGS2? Once those launch in 2001 and 2002, then PS2 will widen its lead again! We have to wait until October to see the effects of GTA3!

obieslut said: NJ5 said: CrazzyMan said: (...) Overall: 2000 PS2 = 2007 PS3. 2001 PS2 = 2008 PS3. (...) So that implies PS2<=PS3 (since you didn't mention 2006), which means we can indeed use the graphs I posted before.   Sorry but can not count a few weeks as year, so Crazzy is correct to discount it

You missed the point. If you don't count 2006, then it becomes PS2=PS3 going by Crazzy's reasoning, and my point still stands.

 

In 2000, the PS2 only sold for one month in Eurpoe, Two months in the US and 9 months in Japan. And it was pretty much supply contrained the whole time.

In 2007, the PS3 sold for 12 months in the US and Japan and 9 months in Europe. And supply was plentiful the whole time.

To compare the two is cherry picking at its finest and makes the analysis a complete joke. Any rational person would be ashamed to make such a comparison.

C'mon FishyJoe, don't you remember?


IMPORTANT:
IF you don`t care about sales of Sony products - LEAVE this thread.
IF you are Sony hater - LEAVE this thread.
IF you DON`T believe in PS3 success - LEAVE this thread.
IF you are interested in discussing sales numbers of Sony products - STAY. =)
*THE MAIN POINT of THIS THREAD - is to SEE how far/close will PS3 be in 2008 compared to PS2 with it`s 16 mln. consoles sold in 2001.

@FishyJoe,
i am NOT comparing SALES years, i am comparing LIFE years with looking at sales.
How many times i need to post this sentence? =)
or this:
Console`s life STARTS with NOT launch in EVERY region, BUT since FIRST launch.

Ok.
First it`s 10 months, launch was on march 4th.
Now, you said, that PS2 launched in 2000 year and 10 months of which was PS2 LIFE.
How many months it was selling in Europe and USA WOULD MATTER, IF I WAS COMPARING SALES YEARS.
That means:
Japan PS2 2000 March to 2001 March with PS3 November 2006 to Novemeber 2007.
Same for USA(Ocotber 2000 with November 2006) and Europe(November 2000 with March 2007).
I`m NOT making such comparison, don`t you get that?

I am comparing LIFE YEARS with looking at SALES.
That means:
since launch of both consoles.
To be correct, i should compare
Total PS2 sales form March 2000 with Total PS3 sales from November 2006, like it`s done here:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=110

BUT, then i couldn`t see how PS2 and PS3 were doing at same time of year.

CrazzyMan said: @Kasz216, I repeat: Then with WHAT PS3 has MORE COMMON things? Your answer: PS3 has MORE common with ... Thank you. :)

The N64.

That is if the Japanese Sales data has anything to say about it.

They're selling about the same in japan. (N64 might be a little higher...) and they were decent systems with a few really great core franchises from their last system which crushed all competition (SNES/PS2) but just aren't captivating the average gamer anymore and instead are only attracting the really big hardcore fans and really have zero chance to make it back to their former consoles glory and match the previous ones sales no matter how much fanboys want to argue about it.  Likely due to a couple arrogant assumptions. (Nintendo: 3rd parties can't make money without us!, People will buy Cartridges instead of Discs because we're Nintendo.)  (Sony: 3rd Parties can't make money without us!, People will buy this system even though it's way to expensive because we're sony!)

Outside that i'd say the 360.

The PS2 and PS3 are nothing a like in anything really aside from them both being made by Sony. Some of the Software is the same... but then again, so is the NES, SNES, GC, N64 and Wiis. That didn't really stop the N64 and Cube from selling poorly.

@Kasz216,
did N64 had FF game? MGS game? Tekken game? GTA game? GT game? DMC game?

I`m looking at TOTAL sales, not at sales per REGION. =)

@Kasz216, here is another way how things will go after BIG games releases.
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=N64&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=PS&reg3=Japan&weeks=156
MGS4, WKS, Siren, Eternal Sonata, Naruto and finaly FFXIII with GT5.

@Kasz216, ok, now the simplest way to explain what i am doing in this thread:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=------&weeks=100
I took 45th week since PS2 LAUNCH(that was a 1st week of 2001) AND
compared with 61st week since PS3 LAUNCH(that was a 1st week of 2008).

I took 45th week and 61st, that it would be possible to see, how PS2 and ps3 were doing at same time of year(in january, february and etc.)
Because from comparing PS2 sales on 45th week during January with PS3 45th week during september you will see only this:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=------&weeks=100&weekly=1 . =)

Crazzy, you don't get it. You are comparing a console with more sales data over time than the other.

You need to break it down by sales months to understand what I mean.

At the end of 2001, PS2 had a total of (Japan = 22 months) + (America = 14 months) + (Euro = 13 months) = 49 months of sales.

At the end of 2008, PS3 will have a total of (Japan = 26 months) + (America = 26 months) + (Euro = 21 months) = 73 months of sales.


And while were have it broken down by month, let's look at what monthly sales were for PS2 and what PS3 will do if it were to sell the PS2 total using Crazzy's time frame.
PS2 = 21,518,652 / 49 months = 439,156 per month.
PS3 = 21,518,652 / 73 months = 294,776 per month for PS3 to have the same total sales as PS2 using your comparison.


Hmm, damn sure doesn't look like PS3 is selling as well to me.


Now I can understand comparing week to week just for the hell of it provided you understand it's arbitrary and not rational

@Viper1, And PS3 with Wii were launched in November 2006,

but ON MAIN PAGE you see x360 sales of (Japan = 122 months) + (America = 126 months) + (Euro = 125 months)
compared to PS3 sales of (Japan = 78 months) + (America = 77 months) + (Euro = 58 months).
And it`s ok, Even if PS3 was launched later in Europe?
In other words you CAN`T compare PS3 sales with wii or x360 because PS3 was selling less months in Europe.

About PS2 and PS3.
By the middle of March 2007 PS3 in others after (4 month) sold 30k.
You see? Month doesn`t matter in reality.
That why PS3 = 21,518,652 / 73 months doesn`t show the real picture.