North America now.

Ps2 launched 26th October. Ps3 launched 17th November. Once again, we give Ps3 a big advantage, and take away all Ps2 sales before 17th November.

PS3 total sales: 3.75M http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons%5B%5D=PS3&reg%5B%5D=America&start=39040&end=39474

Ps2 total sales: 7.9M http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons%5B%5D=PS2&reg%5B%5D=America&start=36849&end=37283

Total difference: 4.15M in favour Playstation 2

Europe now.

Ps2 launched 24th November, while Ps3 launched 23rd march. We are once again kind to the Ps3 and ignore all sales Ps2 had in the time.

Ps2 total sales, from 23rd march 2001 to 27th January 2002: 5.2M Source: http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons%5B%5D=PS2&reg%5B%5D=Total+Others&start=36975&end=37283

Ps3 total sales from 23rd March 2007 to 27th January 2008: 3.9M Source: http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons%5B%5D=PS3&reg%5B%5D=Total+Others&start=39166&end=39474

That is favour Ps2, and totally 1.3 M for others.

So to sum it up: This far into the gen, the Ps2 had sold MORE than 7M ahead of Playstation 3.

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If there is anything somebody wonders about what I wrote, just ask, in a nice way. And remember to use smiley faces :P

@CrashMan, it`s 2008, NOT 2007. Most multiplatform games in 2008 look/will look on PS3 as good as on x360 or even better. Learning curve.

PS3 lost 3-4 exclusives games and gained about 10 exclusive games.

PS3 has GREAT 3rd party support.

Rockstar creating L.A Noire for PS3.
Rockstar creating New IP for PS3.
Cellius creating games for PS3.
Sega creating Jakuza3 for PS3.
Konami creating Coded Arms for PS3.
Nippon Ichi creating Disgaea3 for PS3.
Free Radical Design creating Haze for PS3.
Namco made Time Crisis4 for PS3.
Sega creating Valkyrie of the Battlefield for PS3.
Digi-Guys creating WarDevil for PS3.
Quantic Dream creating Heavy Rain for PS3.
Konami creating MGS4 for PS3.
Square creating FFXIII for PS3.
Square creating FFXIIIv for PS3.
Namco creating Tekken 6 for PS3.
CyberConnect2 creating Naruto: PS3 project for PS3.
Uncomfimred:
Tri ace making Star Ocean4 for PS3.
Square making Kingdom Hearts 3 for PS3.
Konami making Z.O.E.3 for PS3.

AND some multiplatform:
Eternal Sonata coming to PS3.
Lost Planet coming to PS3.
Rumored:
Ace combat6 coming to PS3.

AND THESE are mosty ONLY confirmed games. Nothing can stop PS3.

@Oyvoyvoyv, THE MAIN POINT of THIS THREAD - is to SEE how far/close will PS3 numbers be in 2008 compared to PS2 with it`s 16 mln. consoles sold in 2001.

so, again, WHAT was your point? :)
p.s. the MAIN MISTAKE you made in your comparison, you comparing 1st PS3 year to 2nd PS2 year. PS2 was launched since March 2000, THAT means, THAT GAMES were started creating from that time or earlier, not from launch in other regions. ;)

CrazzyMan said: IF you DON`T believe in PS3 success - LEAVE this thread. =)))

I think your statement in bold speaks volumes. 

I believe the PS3 has reached a sufficient mass that it will be a success for Sony, but it cost them dearly in losses to do it compared to the PS2 ($2 b in losses FY 2007 and approx $1 b in losses so far FY 2008).  You said yourself that the PS2 had little real competition, yet you seem to believe that the PS3 will achieve the same level of success even though it was launched at a much higher cost and has two strong competitors.  The PS2 also had a large number of exclusives, quite a few which have gone multi-platform this generation, and throw in the fact that PS2 kept BC with the PS1, and you have yet another disadvantage.  The PS3 has 4 difficult hurdles to overcome compared to the PS2.  How do you figure it's going to overcome them so handily?  Please explain, item by item, how each of the 4 can be completely overcome:

1. Double the launch price

2. Loss of many exclusives

3. Uneven and dropping BC

4. Two strong competitors (360 and Wii)

 

Please don't try and counter the BC issue by saying that people can keep/buy a PS2... people who bought a PS2 could have kept/bought a PS1 for BC, so that doesn't somehow counter the advantage of being able to sell/eliminate a secondary console with the purchase of a new console.

I would give the PS3 an advantage for having Blu-ray, but until it seriously competes with normal DVDs, I can't see how that will make a difference... Blu-ray is still an early-adopter feature at this time.

 

Nothing can stop Ps3? I'd assume the fact that there are only 6.5B people on the planet, would stop it from selling more than that.

Ok, I kind of misunderstood you, but hey, now you're twisting numbers even more than I thought!

I believe that what you are doing, is kind of what Norwegian media does. They make everything look the way they want it, and half the population eats it as if it was raw fish! (sushi).

If you really wondered what my point was, which I doubt you did, read my post again. I think it came out pretty clearly what I was saying. If it wasn't feel free to ask what part you don't understand, and I'll re-write it for you.

The problem with solely comparing sales, is that X360/Wii/Ps3 does in total sell much more then XB/GCN/Ps2. The reason the Ps2 took off, was that 3rd party went over too it, because there were slightly higher sales on it. The longer into the gen, the more obvious it became. That's the problem for the Ps3, the competition does so that 3rd party won't become solely Ps3. I know it has good 3rd party, but the others have similary good games.

Solution: take how much of the market share it gets. I believe that will make it more precise.

Now, math time. Where did you get your weekly numbers? The weekly does not have other sales than Japan, so I guess the best thing to do is use the hardware table.

As Stever so nice pointed out, it is a little unfair to compare those, but we'll do it your way now, not the smart guy's (Steve)

Anyway, here we go.

Ps3 total sales from week ending 06th to week ending 27th: 742K. Remember, this has a slight bit of last year's holiday here.

The total sales in the same time, for the consoles, was 2659K.

742/2659 = 0,288 = 28.8 % market share.

Ps2 total sales form 7th to 28th (remember, this gets less from the holiday than Ps2) = 709K

Total sales of the gen (including N64 and Ps1): 870K.

709/870=0.814 = 81.4 %.

As you see, the Ps2 has a much larger % at the time, which means it took almost all the sales. Just as 360 did first year...

If you want a more fair comparison, you take 02.

Ps2 1.5M
Total gen: 2.1M
% = 71.

So Ps2 had a far bigger % which means Ps3 won't get the domination Ps2 had, which will result in it not getting as big bonuses over the year as Ps2 had.

Once again, if you don't understand, feel free to ask.

@crumas2,

1) PS3 launched at 600$(less then 10% had 500$ price), while PS2 had 300$ price. BUT, PS2 had a PRICECUT to 199$ in May 2002, or only 3rd year since launch. WHOLE 2001 PS2 had price 300$. NOW, i really BELIEVE, PS3 will get 300$ price this year. So, on 2nd year, PS3 will have 300$ price(or half of launch price) = just like 150$ would be a price of PS2 in 2001, BUT ps2 had 300$.
THIS a BIG advantage for PS3.

2) Bullshit. Loss few, gaining MANY.

3) 120Gb still will be having BC, not to mention, There will be software BC in 40GB model by the end 2008 or 2009.

4) which have WEAK line compared to PS3 in 2008. PS3 outselling x360 WW, which has 2 games pack-in and cost 50$ less. EXPLAIN.

@Oyvoyvoyv,

WRONG, PS3 has BEST 3rd party exclusive games in 2008.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS&reg1=All&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=PS3&reg3=All&weeks=156
HERE are numbers form 1st year of each system LIFE.
System LIFE begins since system is availble FIRST time on the market, not since release in other regions. It`s system problem, if it didn`t have simultaneous launches.
You can compare PS3 sales to x360 and wii, but PS3 had 4 month later launch in Europe. Then how market share is divided by TOTAL numbers on FRONT PAGE, when ps3 has 4 month disadvantage in Europe?

@crazzyman but ps1 and ps2 only japan and not 2 regions

Crazy, what I am doing is trying to predict the following years. What I am trying to explain to you, is that you are comparing the whole world to Japan. It is selling as fast as the Ps2 did in Japan. So it is going to make 21M if it tracks that line. Hooray!

Ps1 line is for only Japan, so I changed it lightly. http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=PS3&reg3=All&weeks=70

As you see, it is tracking above Ps2 Japan, but it has had 2 holiday seasons compared to 1. Therefore, it should be tracking in the middle of Ps2 Japan and Ps2 Worldwide in the near future.


This graph:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=PS3&reg3=All&weeks=48&weekly=1

Shows what happens before Ps2 starts to get effect of second holiday season. It's tracking slightly lower than right in between Japan and WW

CrazzyMan said: @CrashMan, it`s 2008, NOT 2007. Most multiplatform games in 2008 look/will look on PS3 as good as on x360 or even better. Learning curve.

Once again, you miss the entire point.  Who cares what the games LOOK like, we are talking about developer resources and what gets ported where.

But I kick myself for not learning sooner that trying to argue reality with you only gets fantasy thrown back.

People will never believe truth if they only believe what they want.

 Case in point:

CrazzyMan said: @Oyvoyvoyv, I know it has good 3rd party, but the others have similary good games. WRONG, PS3 has BEST 3rd party exclusive games in 2008.

Opinion stated as fact = universal signal to ignore the person

Does this remind anyone else of Narnia? The boy's uncle didn't want to hear the Lion speak, so there was nothing the Lion could do.

If Crazzy is the uncle, I'm very glad I'm not the boy ::):):)