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What I don't get prof, is if you are shadowspawn, why would you confuse town with this shadowling bs?

Honestly, that would mean you aren't even shadowspawn.



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happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:

Why can't you explain what is wrong about the logic?

You're only saying that it fails, but my one failure is understanding how it supposedly fails.

Okay, let me try:

You called yourself a shadowling, smeags used the word before you. Smeags claimed a name. Then you did too. I am a shadowling and I don't have a name. Therefore, you cannot be a shadowling and have a name. That is called logic.

1) Smeags used the word before you, and as such, he is the one with the authority on the meaning of the word.

2) Shadowlings is not mentioned in the OP, and as such is not a creature in the  flavor.

3) You pretend to be a shadowling, and pretend that shadowlings don't have names, yet shadowlings have no bearing in flavor, because they don't exist in the flavor.

4) Given OP, since shadowling has no bearing on who has a name and who doesn't (since it isn't tied to flavor), your conclusion is false "that I cannot be a shadowling and have a name".

5) If you bring in any extra logic after the fact, it cannot be employed in that logic, as nobody was made aware of it and can't be considered part of that post's logic.

Smeags using the word before you was me illustrating to you my original post of "I think you are copying smeags". It has nothing to do with the logic. The logic is that I am a shadowling with no name, and saw you (someone who called himself a shadowling) with a name and said 'logically' these two thigns contradict. one shadowling with a name, and one without a name. Seeing that contradiction, I asked you if you made up your name (under the assumption that you truthfully, and not mistakenly, claimed yourself as a shadowling).

In the end, it turns out you are not a shadowling. Which, if we go back to the logic that shadowling without a name and one with a name cannot exist, the logic returns TRUE. The contradiction is erased, since, you only mistakenly called yourself a shadowling. A human or something else, on the other hand, is reasonably named, and I have no problem with that, because I don't have information saying otherwise. What I do have for evidence is that shadowlings don't have names, which proved logical when you turned out to not be a shadowling.

 

Furthermore, you have a glaring problem in your post. Corrupted human is not listed as a species either, and according to your own logic that "(replacing shadowling with X)  X have no bearing in flavor, because they don't exist in the flavor."



radishhead said:
I can't follow this metagaming that has been going on over the past 100 posts or so

 



This is the problem Im having. Its really confusing for someone who is still fairly new to the game.



                            

theprof00 said:

Smeags using the word before you was me illustrating to you my original post of "I think you are copying smeags". It has nothing to do with the logic. The logic is that I am a shadowling with no name, and saw you (someone who called himself a shadowling) with a name and said 'logically' these two thigns contradict. one shadowling with a name, and one without a name. Seeing that contradiction, I asked you if you made up your name (under the assumption that you truthfully, and not mistakenly, claimed yourself as a shadowling).

In the end, it turns out you are not a shadowling. Which, if we go back to the logic that shadowling without a name and one with a name cannot exist, the logic returns TRUE. The contradiction is erased, since, you only mistakenly called yourself a shadowling. A human or something else, on the other hand, is reasonably named, and I have no problem with that, because I don't have information saying otherwise. What I do have for evidence is that shadowlings don't have names, which proved logical when you turned out to not be a shadowling.

 

Furthermore, you have a glaring problem in your post. Corrupted human is not listed as a species either, and according to your own logic that "(replacing shadowling with X)  X have no bearing in flavor, because they don't exist in the flavor."

Yes, you're right at that last part of my logic. I rectified it in my reply to Trucks which made more sense.

As you can understand, your shadowling story is very hard to believe, especially given how Smeags had used the term prior to denote town and there is no mention of it in any way shape or form in OP.

So my logic is telling me that you fabricated all of this to frame town, but part of me is saying it's possible.

So, what would be a shadowling and what would be a shadowspawn, and why the new name? Corrupted human has a reason for existence, the former does not.



Carl2291 said:
radishhead said:
I can't follow this metagaming that has been going on over the past 100 posts or so

This is the problem Im having. Its really confusing for someone who is still fairly new to the game.

I've played for who knows how many rounds, and although I'm not brilliant at mafia, my issues normally come from choices of phrases, rather than a problem with how the round actually works. 

Thankfully after Day 1, things should start to fall more into post and potential midnight information analysis



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happydolphin said:
What I don't get prof, is if you are shadowspawn, why would you confuse town with this shadowling bs?

Honestly, that would mean you aren't even shadowspawn.

I am simply 'assuming' that I am shadowspawn, because I don't fall into the category of godlike or hero. Because both words share the prefix "shadow", I can only make the reasoned guess that I am that. Similarly, IRL, I can call a Hawaiian person a human, because there isn't anything else s/he could be.

I am not trying to confuse town. I wanted to know if you were claiming to be a shadowling with a name. I saw inconsistency between my pm, and what I saw you claiming. This is why I asked you to confirm your name of Selyan the shadowling. There really wasn't a problem in the first place, had you simply told me that shadowling was not what you were claiming but simply a fun flavory thing.

And no, that conclusion is wrong because there are only three categories. Hero, shadowspawn, godlike. You yourself are a corrupted town. Your logic cannot prove true (that I am not even shadowspawn) because you don't even acknowledge where you yourself would fit in. You can't just say, 'oh, shadowlings aren't spawn, but corrupted humans are'.



theprof00 said:

I am simply 'assuming' that I am shadowspawn, because I don't fall into the category of godlike or hero. Because both words share the prefix "shadow", I can only make the reasoned guess that I am that. Similarly, IRL, I can call a Hawaiian person a human, because there isn't anything else s/he could be.

I am not trying to confuse town. I wanted to know if you were claiming to be a shadowling with a name. I saw inconsistency between my pm, and what I saw you claiming. This is why I asked you to confirm your name of Selyan the shadowling. There really wasn't a problem in the first place, had you simply told me that shadowling was not what you were claiming but simply a fun flavory thing.

And no, that conclusion is wrong because there are only three categories. Hero, shadowspawn, godlike. You yourself are a corrupted town. Your logic cannot prove true (that I am not even shadowspawn) because you don't even acknowledge where you yourself would fit in. You can't just say, 'oh, shadowlings aren't spawn, but corrupted humans are'.

There is no such thing as spawn, like there is for human. And why are you calling humans heroes when the OP is clear of 3 species?

You're just playing on words and it isn't looking good at all.



DarkThanatos said:

Firstly, starting off saying you where human, then after coming under suspicion changing it to corrupted human. Your reasoning is that "you thought corrupted human was only you" - If you where town, and had no idea what any of the other classes were, why feel the need to keep it just to human? No-one else had a problem with coming out as corrupted human after, I just find that all a bit suspicious- even if it is an honest mistake. 

Secondly, the response of "I was just testing you" Is weak at best. Obviously I have not seen play before, so I dont know if this is a common playstyle, but from a first opinion I feel this is a weak response. 

Thirdly, you where not sure between light and dark being good or bad. Most of the towns are creatures of the darkness, so this just raises my suspicions that you are not who you say you are. You claim to be a corrupted human, yet as nen pointed out, you thought that corrupted human where light. As a corrupted human myself, who knows that I'm dark, thats a major incosistancy.

Forthly, your rebuttal of arguments like hat was simply "You are very stupid sometimes hat." Not what I would call a proper defence. Similarly your retaliations to Happy's arguments where also poor. "Nope you have no idea what piss poor is then" - rather then clarifying it. 

Fifthly, you complained that flavour and calling yourself human where not reasons alone for being scum. Yet you "hat I think is town purely based on his character claim." 

The throwing out accusations- You said "Carl was probably scum" - without any justification as to why. Similarly with me, I voted with incorrect format, and the next post you called me scum imo.

Other reasons are Hat, who claims to have a good reason to think you are scum. Which alone is not enough for me to believe him, but if we did lynch you, and you were town, then he would be the next to be lynched. I think that is too big a risk for him to take without due reason. Combined with Carl, who has kept quite and appears to be thinking a lot about this, being suspicious of you as well... its just a matter of lots of little things adding up. 

Finally, this opening round it is all taken off little evidence, and someone needs to get lynched or we all vote for no-lynch. You are the person that I have the most suspicion of, so thats why I vote you. Understand my point a little better? Feel free to try and clarify any accusations I have made again though, because if you are Town, then I dont want us not understanding your point to kill you off. 

What do you mean by what do i think about nen?

First of all, I asked, show me where I have inconsistent arguments. The examples you have shown are not inconsistent arguments.

Second I asked where have I been suspicious of people attacking me? I haven't been suspicious of hat, the leader himself, which you so nicely point out yourself. Apparently now I am scum because I am "blindly" considering hat as town.

Also carl, he is one of the weaker feeling as scum.

And I never tested people. Interesting that you parrot nen. Unfortunately you parroted something that is false.

And when I voted you, I felt you were scum. Now I have reasons to believe you are scum. However I won't lynch you today.

That much you can be assured.

I have also provided justifications for thinking these people are scum. Nen, carl. Also you yourself, you are parroting, for an example. You aren't actually answering questions.

And when I say what you think about nen, I mean, who do you feel about him? Scum feel, town feel, in between? Would be nice if you could elaborate.



happydolphin said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Let me shine a light on you (and hopefully end this):

The OP is not the only place where flavor can be found.

Corrupted-human would prove that, but it isn't far-fetched.

Shadowling is, especially due to its history it's a highly controversial and highly unlikely possibility, and I don't believe it for a second.

So you and prof can take your lights and walk out back the gate from whence you came.

My God you're stubborn!

Let me explain using StarCraft.

Stefl would have said there's three races Terran, Protoss and Zerg.

My PM could have read something like "You are a Zergling from the Gamma Brood"

So the OP mentions Zerg the race but individual PMs mention Zergling, the unit/underling.



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Happy I think it is incredibly naive to say that Prof is suspicious purely because he claimed shadowling, especially since there is no proof it is NOT a proper role. Your refusal to answer questions which are aimed directly at you and not your opinions as well as the fact that you have effectively distracted town for the last god knows how many flipping pages actually means that I am getting a scummy feel off you.

Also, guys seriously? Before this game we were considering not having any flavour due to flavour hunting and now the last 200+ posts have all been based around the fact that two people are using words which aren't used in the flavour. Way to successfully get over that "problem".