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Forums - Gaming - Oh boy , IGN is doing another TOP 100 list - TOP 100 RPGS ALL TIME

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do you like this top 100 bs?

no 74 53.24%
 
yes 46 33.09%
 
results 18 12.95%
 
Total:138
Khuutra on 15 September 2012
Slimebeast said:

Disgrace.

Fable 2 of all games made the list. When Fable 2 is absolute garbage.

Diablo and Baldur's Gate are overrated.

No Dragon Age, simply pathetic.

Elder Scrolls too low obviously. The best selling RPG of all time (Skyrim) should be number one. Either that or Morrowind or Oblivion should have topped the list.

Both Demon's Souls (#70, give me a break) and Dark Souls are too low.

Skyrim was outsold by something like five different Pokemon games, possibly more.

And yes, those are RPGs.



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Slimebeast on 15 September 2012
Khuutra said:
Slimebeast said:

Disgrace.

Fable 2 of all games made the list. When Fable 2 is absolute garbage.

Diablo and Baldur's Gate are overrated.

No Dragon Age, simply pathetic.

Elder Scrolls too low obviously. The best selling RPG of all time (Skyrim) should be number one. Either that or Morrowind or Oblivion should have topped the list.

Both Demon's Souls (#70, give me a break) and Dark Souls are too low.

Skyrim was outsold by something like five different Pokemon games, possibly more.

And yes, those are RPGs.

I don't count Pokemon as RPGs. They're totally different demographics than RPGs. For me Pokemons are children's games, it's as simple as that.

But a clarification on Skyrim sales. It might still not be the best selling RPG of all time. I would think at least one Diablo game and definitely WoW has sold more copies than Skyrim.



Slimebeast on 15 September 2012
pezus said:
I'd say this list is better than gamrConnect's list, simply because it isn't almost solely console JRPGs and the occasional console WRPG. This one has more variety, and doesn't forget about older games.

When did Gamrconnect publish a top RPG list? Sad to hear it has even more JRPGs than the IGN list!



Khuutra on 15 September 2012
Slimebeast said:
Khuutra said:

Skyrim was outsold by something like five different Pokemon games, possibly more.

And yes, those are RPGs.

I don't count Pokemon as RPGs. They're totally different demographics than RPGs. For me Pokemons are children's games, it's as simple as that.

But a clarification on Skyrim sales. It might still not be the best selling RPG of all time. I would think at least one Diablo game and definitely WoW has sold more copies than Skyrim.

All RPGs are children's games.

THere. THat doesn't make any damn sense, now does it?

Neither does the idea of children's games necessarily not being RPGs. This exclusionary tactic doesn't hold up under even the mildest scrutiny; you have a party of characters where you control the composition of their species, class, movesets, stat distributions, on and on, and use them in highly strategic battles. You develop your characters over time according to your playstyle, and can end up with tremendous imbalances if you are not careful.

It's an RPG by too many video game standards to ignore, and trying to brush them aside as "children's games" is preposterous. Dragon Quest can be classified the same way, but if you try to say Dragon Quest games aren't RPGs then you are necessarily undermining your own position.

Pokemon Red, Blue, and Green are still the highest-selling RPGs of all time according to current tracking standards, thoguh WoW may have passed them up. Skyrim doesn't even come close.



Slimebeast on 15 September 2012
Khuutra said:
Slimebeast said:
Khuutra said:

Skyrim was outsold by something like five different Pokemon games, possibly more.

And yes, those are RPGs.

I don't count Pokemon as RPGs. They're totally different demographics than RPGs. For me Pokemons are children's games, it's as simple as that.

But a clarification on Skyrim sales. It might still not be the best selling RPG of all time. I would think at least one Diablo game and definitely WoW has sold more copies than Skyrim.

All RPGs are children's games.

THere. THat doesn't make any damn sense, now does it?

Neither does the idea of children's games necessarily not being RPGs. This exclusionary tactic doesn't hold up under even the mildest scrutiny; you have a party of characters where you control the composition of their species, class, movesets, stat distributions, on and on, and use them in highly strategic battles. You develop your characters over time according to your playstyle, and can end up with tremendous imbalances if you are not careful.

It's an RPG by too many video game standards to ignore, and trying to brush them aside as "children's games" is preposterous. Dragon Quest can be classified the same way, but if you try to say Dragon Quest games aren't RPGs then you are necessarily undermining your own position.

Pokemon Red, Blue, and Green are still the highest-selling RPGs of all time according to current tracking standards, thoguh WoW may have passed them up. Skyrim doesn't even come close.

Look, Skyrim has a great chance to become the best selling RPG of all time (at least 12 million on consoles and 6 million on PC). Can you believe it? An Elder Scrolls game being the best selling freaking RPG ever!! I'm not going to let Pokemon ruin that.

How many copies did the biggest Pokemon sell, like 30 million copies? To a largely child demographics. That's just unfair.

I choose to see Pokemon as a children's game with RPG elements but not sort it under the RPG genre.



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echoesfromthepast on 15 September 2012

I'm very surprised Xenoblade isn't higher



     
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Khuutra on 15 September 2012
Slimebeast said:
Khuutra said:

All RPGs are children's games.

THere. THat doesn't make any damn sense, now does it?

Neither does the idea of children's games necessarily not being RPGs. This exclusionary tactic doesn't hold up under even the mildest scrutiny; you have a party of characters where you control the composition of their species, class, movesets, stat distributions, on and on, and use them in highly strategic battles. You develop your characters over time according to your playstyle, and can end up with tremendous imbalances if you are not careful.

It's an RPG by too many video game standards to ignore, and trying to brush them aside as "children's games" is preposterous. Dragon Quest can be classified the same way, but if you try to say Dragon Quest games aren't RPGs then you are necessarily undermining your own position.

Pokemon Red, Blue, and Green are still the highest-selling RPGs of all time according to current tracking standards, thoguh WoW may have passed them up. Skyrim doesn't even come close.

Look, Skyrim has a great chance to become the best selling RPG of all time (at least 12 million on consoles and 6 million on PC). Can you believe it? An Elder Scrolls game being the best selling freaking RPG ever!! I'm not going to let Pokemon ruin that.

How many copies did the biggest Pokemon sell, like 30 million copies? To a largely child demographics. That's just unfair.

I choose to see Pokemon as a children's game with RPG elements but not sort it under the RPG genre.

What you "choose to see" has no bearing on reality.

Skyrim would need to somewhere between double and triple its current sales to come within striking distance of Red and Blue, and that's not happening.

You can say "Skyrim is the best-selling RPG that isn't Pokemon" and that would be much closer to true, but that caveat is important.



Slimebeast on 15 September 2012
Khuutra said:
Slimebeast said:
Khuutra said:

All RPGs are children's games.

THere. THat doesn't make any damn sense, now does it?

Neither does the idea of children's games necessarily not being RPGs. This exclusionary tactic doesn't hold up under even the mildest scrutiny; you have a party of characters where you control the composition of their species, class, movesets, stat distributions, on and on, and use them in highly strategic battles. You develop your characters over time according to your playstyle, and can end up with tremendous imbalances if you are not careful.

It's an RPG by too many video game standards to ignore, and trying to brush them aside as "children's games" is preposterous. Dragon Quest can be classified the same way, but if you try to say Dragon Quest games aren't RPGs then you are necessarily undermining your own position.

Pokemon Red, Blue, and Green are still the highest-selling RPGs of all time according to current tracking standards, thoguh WoW may have passed them up. Skyrim doesn't even come close.

Look, Skyrim has a great chance to become the best selling RPG of all time (at least 12 million on consoles and 6 million on PC). Can you believe it? An Elder Scrolls game being the best selling freaking RPG ever!! I'm not going to let Pokemon ruin that.

How many copies did the biggest Pokemon sell, like 30 million copies? To a largely child demographics. That's just unfair.

I choose to see Pokemon as a children's game with RPG elements but not sort it under the RPG genre.

What you "choose to see" has no bearing on reality.

Skyrim would need to somewhere between double and triple its current sales to come within striking distance of Red and Blue, and that's not happening.

You can say "Skyrim is the best-selling RPG that isn't Pokemon" and that would be much closer to true, but that caveat is important.

But don't you understand the impact it would have to be able to shut up all the haters by saying "dude, Skyrim is the best selling RPG of all time"?

It doesn't sound powerful to say "dude, Skyrim is the best selling RPG that isn't Pokemon of all time".



Khuutra on 15 September 2012
Slimebeast said:
Khuutra said:

What you "choose to see" has no bearing on reality.

Skyrim would need to somewhere between double and triple its current sales to come within striking distance of Red and Blue, and that's not happening.

You can say "Skyrim is the best-selling RPG that isn't Pokemon" and that would be much closer to true, but that caveat is important.

But don't you understand the impact it would have to be able to shut up all the haters by saying "dude, Skyrim is the best selling RPG of all time"?

It doesn't sound powerful to say "dude, Skyrim is the best selling RPG that isn't Pokemon of all time".

It won't have any impact on real discussions of quality, so you can abandon that line of thought more or less immediately.



Slimebeast on 15 September 2012
Khuutra said:
Slimebeast said:
Khuutra said:

What you "choose to see" has no bearing on reality.

Skyrim would need to somewhere between double and triple its current sales to come within striking distance of Red and Blue, and that's not happening.

You can say "Skyrim is the best-selling RPG that isn't Pokemon" and that would be much closer to true, but that caveat is important.

But don't you understand the impact it would have to be able to shut up all the haters by saying "dude, Skyrim is the best selling RPG of all time"?

It doesn't sound powerful to say "dude, Skyrim is the best selling RPG that isn't Pokemon of all time".

It won't have any impact on real discussions of quality, so you can abandon that line of thought more or less immediately.

Yes, but sometimes in game discussions people draw up the sales and popularity of a game to prove its quality (I don't do it, but some people do) and it would have felt nice to have that argument as a backup.