Kasz216 said: forevercloud3000 said: Kasz216 said: forevercloud3000 said: That is basically what I said. When you question  and check your own objectivity as a safety precaution you are being objective. And sorry, I forgot the "All" in there. Except it wasn't... you missed frame of refrences.  This is different from bias. Additionally I can't see how you think you've accouted for it when... you know.  You didn't even think it was bias a day ago. Before 5 years ago, it was practically universal that Best FF Main:Cloud, Best FF Villain: Sephiroth, best FF Game: FFVII whenever such lists showed their face.     5 years ago is 2007 right? Lets look at IGN's 100 best games list from 2005. http://top100.ign.com/2005/001-010.html   FF7, 88th best game of all time. FF6?  56th best game of all time. FF4? 26th best game of all time.   Aside from that. Frame of refrence means you can appreciate the game as part of it's era.   It actually always was very rare FF7 ever ended up at number 1 final fantasy wise in a list done by professional videogame magazines or websites. That belief has pretty much ALWAYS persisted among people who had played both in order.   If you didn't notice, you simply weren't paying attention.

Unfortunately most of these sites no longer keep pages from 2005 and back so It is relatively hard to scrounge them up. Also many of these top lists were in Magazines.

 

Cant find the date but seems to be using an older list....

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Famitsu_Japan's_100_favorite_video_games 

http://retro-sanctuary.com/Top-100-PS1-Games-Page-5.html 

2004

http://videogameaddicts.net/toprpglist.html 

http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/final-fantasy-games.asp 

2011

http://rpgfan.com/features/Best_of_Final_Fantasy/best_main.html

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/12/02/ranking-the-final-fantasy-series.aspx The guy actually says "Maybe there's some subconscious "it's super-popular so I like it less" pushback going on in my head..."

As of 2012, This is how most FANS think of the game...

http://www.listal.com/list/top-15-best-final-fantasy

http://realotakugamer.com/best-game-ever-final-fantasy-vii

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136008

http://www.ign.com/blogs/gilgameshthepugilist/2011/07/09/re-ranking-15-final-fantasies-fan-art-edition-7-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Kcn8PplL8

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/318513/features/final-fantasy-vii-why-its-an-unbeatable-rpg/

 

here is an IGN article that touches on the new disdain many formed for the game...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/03/03/is-final-fantasy-vii-overrated?page=2

FFVII might not have always been at the very top of the lists but it has always been ranked pretty high. When talking about the greatest games of all time in particular, it is relatively hard to have that conversation without mentioning the game and how it left a huge mark on gaming as a whole. Big sites like IGN are sort of the problem as they are the main ones that perpetuate such ideas  (the "Lets roast a game everyone loves" article) because it drives hits.

Boutros said: Monster Hunter Tri is a RPG? And is better than FFX? K.

Total and utter blasphemy. FFX should be inthe top 20 alone. And last time I checked there was no level up system or real story in MH :P. I see it more as a collectathon Action game.

Calling it: Chrono Trigger will be #11

:P

Since their is lots of talk about FF. I will give my input :P. I played FF7,FF8,X,XII,XIII. XIII is just terribad, should not be on any best rpg list. The way I rank the FF myself is this that I have played.
FF8
FFX
FFXII
FF7
FF7 was fun in all, but it has never changed my life like the other 3 games did.

forevercloud3000 said: Kasz216 said: forevercloud3000 said: Kasz216 said: forevercloud3000 said: That is basically what I said. When you question  and check your own objectivity as a safety precaution you are being objective. And sorry, I forgot the "All" in there. Except it wasn't... you missed frame of refrences.  This is different from bias. Additionally I can't see how you think you've accouted for it when... you know.  You didn't even think it was bias a day ago. Before 5 years ago, it was practically universal that Best FF Main:Cloud, Best FF Villain: Sephiroth, best FF Game: FFVII whenever such lists showed their face.     5 years ago is 2007 right? Lets look at IGN's 100 best games list from 2005. http://top100.ign.com/2005/001-010.html   FF7, 88th best game of all time. FF6?  56th best game of all time. FF4? 26th best game of all time.   Aside from that. Frame of refrence means you can appreciate the game as part of it's era.   It actually always was very rare FF7 ever ended up at number 1 final fantasy wise in a list done by professional videogame magazines or websites. That belief has pretty much ALWAYS persisted among people who had played both in order.   If you didn't notice, you simply weren't paying attention. Unfortunately most of these sites no longer keep pages from 2005 and back so It is relatively hard to scrounge them up. Also many of these top lists were in Magazines.   Cant find the date but seems to be using an older list.... http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Famitsu_Japan's_100_favorite_video_games  http://retro-sanctuary.com/Top-100-PS1-Games-Page-5.html  2004 http://videogameaddicts.net/toprpglist.html  http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/final-fantasy-games.asp  2011 http://rpgfan.com/features/Best_of_Final_Fantasy/best_main.html http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/12/02/ranking-the-final-fantasy-series.aspx The guy actually says "Maybe there's some subconscious "it's super-popular so I like it less" pushback going on in my head..." As of 2012, This is how most FANS think of the game... http://www.listal.com/list/top-15-best-final-fantasy http://realotakugamer.com/best-game-ever-final-fantasy-vii http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136008 http://www.ign.com/blogs/gilgameshthepugilist/2011/07/09/re-ranking-15-final-fantasies-fan-art-edition-7-1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Kcn8PplL8 http://www.computerandvideogames.com/318513/features/final-fantasy-vii-why-its-an-unbeatable-rpg/     here is an IGN article that touches on the new disdain many formed for the game... http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/03/03/is-final-fantasy-vii-overrated?page=2 FFVII might not have always been at the very top of the lists but it has always been ranked pretty high. When talking about the greatest games of all time in particular, it is relatively hard to have that conversation without mentioning the game and how it left a huge mark on gaming as a whole. Big sites like IGN are sort of the problem as they are the main ones that perpetuate such ideas  (the "Lets roast a game everyone loves" article) because it drives hits.

Well first off... most of your list seems to be one off fan lists... not proffesional lists like I mentioned.

Outside of the Famitsu one... which was in fact, a readers poll.

FF7 is going to win in readers polls, just out of pure numbers.

Not really when it comes to people who have played them all... and in order though.

Which like I said, was my point.

That FF6 is better then FF7 is something that has ALWAYS existed... generally by the minority that have played all the final fantasy games... and in order.

a majority of those people seem to like 4 or 6 best, and both better then 7.

 

You never really countered any of that, and are just kinda going off on a huge tangent.

There have always been a fairly large number of people who have played the FF games that think 6 is better... because well... any number of reasons related to telling a bigger story from multiple perspectives and having many emotional moments rather then just relying on one thing.

The big death in FF7 isn't really shocking if you had played other FF games before it... pretty common in FF games actually.

 

Ohhh, they're not going to forget Valkyrie Profile, are they?

Also, i'm kinda surprised Tactics Ogre ranked... let alone ranked so high.

I mean it's an awesome game and pretty much the grandfather to EVERY SRPG not named Fire Emblem... but still... it rarely gets any respect.  Usually left off the list because of it's bastardized cousin FF Tactics which "rips off" 80% of the game from Tactics Ogre and then imports the FFV class system.  (I'm sure FFT will rank higher... rips off in "" because it's the same guy."

Kasz216 said: Also, i'm kinda surprised Tactics Ogre ranked... let alone ranked so high. I mean it's an awesome game and pretty much the grandfather to EVERY SRPG not named Fire Emblem... but still... it rarely gets any respect.

Wait till Person of Lordly Caliber breaks the Top 20.

I believe.

BasilZero said:   Here is the up to date list Some notes -WHAT!? Eve Online is in this list? I have a bad feeling that WoW is gonna be on this list >___> -Nice, the PSP/mobile version of Tactics Ogre got on the list lol -Oh god, Monster Hunter Tri is on the list, another fail from IGN up with WoW/Eve Online on a "RPG" list. -Odin Sphere really good RPG , totally recommend anyone to check it out. -YEAH Dragon Quest V *_________* in the top 50! (Oh its the NDS version, I should go play it) -Xenogears deserves to be higher ranked.... -Nice Disgaea 1 is in the top 50 as well -Carl might like the idea of Suikoden II and Valkyria Chronicles side by side. -NICE Lunar Silver Star *_*!

Uhg! Final Fantasy I before Persona 4/FFIX/Kingdom Hearts/FFVIII/Legend of Dragoon/Fallout New Vegas??!?!?!?!!

Persona 3 so far ahead of Persona 4????

Final Fantasy X behind Chrono Cross??!?!

Kill me now..........

axumblade said: NintendoPie said: axumblade said: Conegamer said: The higher up Xenoblade is, the happier I'll be. Expect the top games to be Skyrim, FFVII, Chrono Trigger etc. etc... I WoW to be high on the list too.... Axum... That doesn't really make much sense. :P It would if the word "expect" would have stayed in with my comment. :/ sigh...

I expect that too... Sadly...