The bad thing about it is it so easy to get steroids. You can buy steroids legally off the internet in US and I would assume it is pretty easy to get in other countries. I never would say people should say if you want to be good at sports use performance enhancing drugs, but I do think that many trainers and coachers have a strong no doping policy in public, while in private they secretly give out performance enhancing drugs all the time. The idea that you need to dope to be the best is already around in many sports it just hidden to the public for obvious reasons. I just wish it could be brought to light more so people see that it is a reality that cannot be stopped.

@chocoloco

yeah it's also easy to get it in germany. there is always someone in a fitness studio who can get it for you if you really want to and i would say in other countries it is even more easy.

Hypocritical to take his titles and give it to another doper, sure. Give it to that guy in 23rd place.

Then they should do this to everyone, even in team sports. Say goodbye to all your favorite teams world championships. And you damn well know that would never happen giving it to a 23 finisher. They might as well call off the event because the majority have doped in pro cycling at one time.

Helps that i'm not especially invested in sports, but you figure giving it to someone low-ranked would really burn the major athletes' egos in a more effective and lasting punishment.

yielding to doping would just make the whole system more about the science of the drugs rather than actual athletics. Think of it like modern warfare: modern armies are all reasonably well-trained, but the training or the gumption or the raw ability of average soldiers has dick to do with who wins battles and wars nowadays, it's all about weapons tech and logicstics and such, which is okay, because war isn't supposed to be fair. Sports, however, are nominally supposed to be.

Hypocrisy? Do you still think they'd award his titles to the runner-ups. Won't happen.

I am saying it is hypocracy to even consider taking it away when the majority all dope in the sport. In fact, I say it is firmly rooted as a part of the sport.

Okay so if the My little Ponys won a rainbow racing match using steriods and all the other teams including the pokemon used them. Should they lose the prize.

Seriously though, I am not saying they should have to do it. I am just saying that if they are going to give it to a 23rd place finisher than you might as well declare no winner.

Still trying to detect the logic in your posts.

Congratulations though: Jan Ullrich agrees with you. He recently said that he doesn't want Armstrong's 3 Tour titles where he finished 2nd. He said Armstrong was still the best, no matter how it happened, i.e. Armstrong was the best in a race of dopers (your and Ullrich's opinion) or Armstrong doped better than the others (my opinion).

Doesnt' really matter. Either way: None of these assholes (from A to Z, Armstrong to Zülle) does deserve any title in my opinion.

And just for the record: I think they all doped in this sport before (e.g. Indurain) and after Armstrong. Oh wait, no, not the British of course. Sportsmen through and through. Just ask future Sir Bradley Wiggins. They're currently on top due to a perfect mixture of diet, training and British fairplay. Or something like that.

If i didn't care, i wouldn't be here. Neither do i especially disagree; voiding the wins is more improtant than giving it to anyone else, the key is the burning disincentive, the ability to eliminate past achievements.

patronizing other users (let alone mods) is bad, mmkay?