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Runa216 said:
I will continue to say: PS3 and 3DS were both "doomed" for the first year or so of their existence...look where they ended up.

6 months is NOT enough time to determine if something is doomed. Seriously people, you are addicted to negativity and hatred.


This is a site that is dedicated to the analysis of sales figures and people will generally fixate on whatever the most "exciting" sales data there is ...

Now, you're correct that we can't fully judge the lifetime sales of a console based on its initial six months on the market but you can start to get an idea how it will end up selling. With selling far below the rate of the PSP and PS3 it is reasonably safe to assume that the PS-Vita will sell to a lower level than these systems did; and lower sales and increased development costs compared to your previous generation system is never a good combination for a company.



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leatherhat said:
Immortal said:
the_dengle said:
richardhutnik said:
I will say, that to compare any Sony console sales to that of a Dreamcast is a slap in the face to a Sony partisan. It is like: "Dude, your Sony console is selling LIKE A DREAMCAST!". The Dreamcast was the last Sega system,an a moment of triumph for a Sony partisan, as they saw a competitor fold to their platform, and they got Sega to develop games on the PS2.

The tragic fall of Sega was not a moment of triumph for anyone who plays video games. We lost more than a console that day.

Likewise, the failure of the Vita is or would not be a triumph for even the more hardcore Nintendo fanboy, however they may delude themselves into thinking it so. The Vita is an important product. Sony needs to act fast, because yes, it is quickly slipping into Dreamcast territory.

The failure of the Dreamcast and Sega's subsequent departure from the hardware part of the industry was indeed tragic.

I don't understand why the same applies for Vita, though. As a Nintendo fanboy, I would really like to know why the failure of the Vita being a triumph for me is a delusion.


Because its the writing on the wall for dedicated handhelds.

OT- If vita dies with games like gravity rush, Persona, sound shapes, dragons crown and soul sacrifice released then I do believe it will become a cult console on the level of dreamcast. 

With how well the 3DS is selling I think it is far too early to "doom" dedicated gaming handhelds ...



leatherhat said:
Immortal said:

The failure of the Dreamcast and Sega's subsequent departure from the hardware part of the industry was indeed tragic.

I don't understand why the same applies for Vita, though. As a Nintendo fanboy, I would really like to know why the failure of the Vita being a triumph for me is a delusion.


Because its the writing on the wall for dedicated handhelds.

OT- If vita dies with games like gravity rush, Persona, sound shapes, dragons crown and soul sacrifice released then I do believe it will become a cult console on the level of dreamcast. 


While there is an argument for the idea that dedicated handhelds are doomed, I cannot see how the failure of the Vita will make any difference to the overall fate of handheld consoles. All it means is that whatever the Vita offers - its games, its pricing and its graphical prowess - is rejected by the market.

Nintendo has essentially had a monopoly on dedicated handheld consoles since the Gameboy; one of its competitors' products failing in the market is not alarming. Rather, it's natural and completely normal. I would instead argue that, should the Vita fail, it proves that the PSP was only able to achieve the success it did achieve in this market thanks to the formerly mighty PlayStation brand which buoyed its sales to a moderately high level and allowed it better third party support than it deserved as a new competitor. With these advantages having disappeared to some extent, it just looks like the natural order of things - Nintendo controlling this market (even if it is shrinking) - has been restored.



 

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Play4Fun said:
Runa216 said:
I will continue to say: PS3 and 3DS were both "doomed" for the first year or so of their existence...look where they ended up.

6 months is NOT enough time to determine if something is doomed. Seriously people, you are addicted to negativity and hatred.


Seems more like being realistic to me. Only a few people are rubbing their hands in glee.

3DS and PS3 were in much better situations than Vita is in now.

Acknowledging that the Vita is in a very bad spot isn't 'hatred'. Ignoring it and just being positive, like you've suggested , isn't going to change that.

No, being realistic would be to wait and see what happens instead of assuming that a poor start means it's doomed.  You'd have to be addicted to pessimism or be flat out hateful to WANT it to fail.  Either way, it's dumb to jump on the anti-Vita bandwagon. Sales or not, there's still a lot of years left in the system and it will probably end up at 50 million once Sony figures out how to make it work.  

It's public hatred and opinion that's making the system fail, becuase it's got tonnes of potential and is amazingly good overall.  again, the issue is the public and their desire to see it fail.  The rampant negativity helps people stay away, and the more people stay away, the more negative they want to be to justify their aversion.  It's a viscious circle, do break the circle and try being positive.  



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Dreamcast had much better games that Vita now has
if someone suggested the contrary....



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HappySqurriel said:
Runa216 said:
I will continue to say: PS3 and 3DS were both "doomed" for the first year or so of their existence...look where they ended up.

6 months is NOT enough time to determine if something is doomed. Seriously people, you are addicted to negativity and hatred.


This is a site that is dedicated to the analysis of sales figures and people will generally fixate on whatever the most "exciting" sales data there is ...

Now, you're correct that we can't fully judge the lifetime sales of a console based on its initial six months on the market but you can start to get an idea how it will end up selling. With selling far below the rate of the PSP and PS3 it is reasonably safe to assume that the PS-Vita will sell to a lower level than these systems did; and lower sales and increased development costs compared to your previous generation system is never a good combination for a company.

I study box office, which is similar to console and game sales, and trust me, there's LOTS of wiggle room.  That's like being able to tell how good an indie film is going to do based on its first week, when everyone knows it's about legs.  We doubly know that Sony is known for supporting their stuff long after the next system comes out, so there's a solid 5-7 years left of the handheld's life before we can really tell.  

Hell, PS3 was selling poorly for like 3 years before it turned itself around!  



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PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

Put it this way unless Vita has a monsterous holiday then it will probably die

I hate to say that because I love the console but its in massive trouble.



The line between Vita "hate" and being realistic is all about context. Just like telling someone "your father died," could be incredibly hurtful, or not, it just depends on what is appropriate.



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BenVTrigger said:
Put it this way unless Vita has a monsterous holiday then it will probably die

I hate to say that because I love the console but its in massive trouble.


Just the guy I wanted to ask a question... say the Vita doesn't pick up during the holidays will it loose shelve space to products that sell better? retailers cutting their support?



 

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HappySqurriel said:
leatherhat said:
Immortal said:
the_dengle said:
richardhutnik said:
I will say, that to compare any Sony console sales to that of a Dreamcast is a slap in the face to a Sony partisan. It is like: "Dude, your Sony console is selling LIKE A DREAMCAST!". The Dreamcast was the last Sega system,an a moment of triumph for a Sony partisan, as they saw a competitor fold to their platform, and they got Sega to develop games on the PS2.

The tragic fall of Sega was not a moment of triumph for anyone who plays video games. We lost more than a console that day.

Likewise, the failure of the Vita is or would not be a triumph for even the more hardcore Nintendo fanboy, however they may delude themselves into thinking it so. The Vita is an important product. Sony needs to act fast, because yes, it is quickly slipping into Dreamcast territory.

The failure of the Dreamcast and Sega's subsequent departure from the hardware part of the industry was indeed tragic.

I don't understand why the same applies for Vita, though. As a Nintendo fanboy, I would really like to know why the failure of the Vita being a triumph for me is a delusion.


Because its the writing on the wall for dedicated handhelds.

OT- If vita dies with games like gravity rush, Persona, sound shapes, dragons crown and soul sacrifice released then I do believe it will become a cult console on the level of dreamcast. 

With how well the 3DS is selling I think it is far too early to "doom" dedicated gaming handhelds ...

I think its too soon as well, but the vita being rejected by the market doesn't exactly paint out a rosy picture for the future of the shrinking handheld market. 



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