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Forums - Sales Discussion - July 2012 NPD Thread (360=203k, PS3+Wii=211k, DS=3DS, PSV=Flatline)

Pokemonbrawlvg on 10 August 2012
the_dengle said:
Pokemonbrawlvg said:

Yeah, that's what I guess too! So, Theatrhythm sold twice as many as Heroes of Ruin. Of course this means Rhythm Thief and Heroes of Ruin bombed since Theatrhythm sold like 70k or 80k copies.

Heroes of Ruin = 35k or 40k

Rhythm Thief = 8.75k or 10k

If Theatrhythm sold 70-80k, wouldn't that put Rhythm Thief at more like 11.5-13.5k? (Not a huge difference, of course, but still.)

I didn't really calculate these, so you might be right.



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shakarak on 10 August 2012
happydolphin said:
shakarak said:
happydolphin said:
The writing is not yet on the wall. Give Vita at least one more holiday season. If it fails by then to make any reasonable sales levels AND the 3DS booms, then it's over imho.

Very strange happenings indeed.


I beg to differ.  The writing is on the wall.  With these dismal  numbers third parties will likely abandon Vita in a major way by 2013.  So even if it has a decent holiday season, it's going into hibernation aftewards.

Reason I say wait till holidays to judge is because this holiday we will see the launch performance (most significant portion) of some of the most important games to come on the Vita, as far as the West is concerned, that is:

Little Big Planet Vita, Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation, Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale, and Call of Duty:Black Ops Declassified.

These, apart from an eventual GTA, are some of the most crucial titles to come to the system. If they fail, it would pretty much be game over. So for now, let's wait and see.


In all honesty, do any of those games seem like system sellers?  They may sell decent themselves, but they won't drag Vita out of the hardware grave it's in. This is while all the while 3DS and smartphone gaming is gaining momentum.   The only one I could see moving some systems is Playsation All-Stars Battle, because that games makes sense on a portable.   The rest of those games I belive most gamers will stick with their console counterparts. 



happydolphin on 10 August 2012
shakarak said:

In all honesty, do any of those games seem like system sellers?  They may sell decent themselves, but they won't drag Vita out of the hardware grave it's in. This is while all the while 3DS and smartphone gaming is gaining momentum.   The only one I could see moving some systems is Playsation All-Stars Battle, because that games makes sense on a portable.   The rest of those games I belive most gamers will stick with their console counterparts. 

You could be right, as you could be wrong, but in general the PSP's performance with such games would disagree with you, let alone that these games are much better suited for the Vita than the ones for the PSP were to its respective platform at the time.



Kenology on 10 August 2012

Lot'sa VGCers on neo-gaf! I recognized quite a few of those names!

Anyways, I think Vita's numbers are the most interesting... followed by NDS/3DS doing the same numbers.



Farsala on 10 August 2012

NA sales are just terrible, and that with the eurocrisis bringing down euro numbers combined the numbers are even worse. Only thing keeping up video gaming is japan atm.



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Psyberius on 10 August 2012
Farsala said:
NA sales are just terrible, and that with the eurocrisis bringing down euro numbers combined the numbers are even worse. Only thing keeping up video gaming is japan atm.

It's summertime...it's an aweful time of year for sales of ANYTHING.    The economy is in the crapper.  Markets are probably getting saturated.  Be interesting if these trends go through to Christmas.  The console makers might not have much under the tree this year...



nuckles87 on 10 August 2012
Soundwave said:
the_dengle said:
Soundwave said:

Keep in mind just a few years ago, the DS was easily clearing 500k-600k in a month like July with no real big game releases. Now Nintendo's got really work to keep sales hovering at about 130k-150k/month outside of the holidays. 

You and your friends are the minority portion of the market, you may want to accept that. 

A new console can't compete with a console 5 years into its life cycle. That's a ridiculous comparison to make. Try comparing 3DS to '05 or '06 DS instead.


The problem that comparision is that the DS was a new brand surrounded by considerable confusion, because the GBA was still in its prime when Nintendo suddenly just released the DS and a lot of people early on didn't know if this was some kind of experiment on Nintendo's part (a lot of people felt the DS was a stop gap for the "real" Game Boy Next back in those early days). 

So the DS had an extremely slow start. The 3DS shouldn't have that excuse though, it's the successor to the second best selling platform in game history, the formula and brand momenteum should be there for it. 

Much like the Playstation 1 to PS2 -- the PS1 had a sloooow start, but it had to build its brand those first couple of years. The PS2 rocketed out of the gate because it didn't have to. 

The 3DS already has had a monstrous price cut, it was Mario 3D Land, it has Mario Kart 7, Kid Icarus Uprising, it has Resident Evil (x2), MGS, Tales, it has Mario Tennis, Zelda: OoT, available in many different colors, etc. Sales should not be this sluggish. Honestly from a game library POV, the 3DS is considerably stronger IMO than the DS was at this point. 





nuckles87 on 10 August 2012

This forum is giving me a lot of trouble, so apologies for the above post, I can't seem to edit it.

In any case, the point I made in the post I wrote was this:

The DS was effectively a successor to the GBA. It was backwards compatible and played host to a variety of GBA franchises. GBA owners had a lot of incentive to adopt.

The DS launched $100 cheaper then 3DS did, with a Mario game, in the middle of the holiday shopping season. 3DS launched in the middle of March with Pilotwings. At this point in time in the DS's life span, it had already seen it's second holiday shopping season, got its first two evergreen titles, and was beginning to take off.

So all things considered, 3DS is doing pretty well. Let's also remember that the DS is still doing pretty well. It's effectively siphoning sales from the 3DS. Consoles typically do better once their predecessor is dead.



johnsobas on 10 August 2012

this is the market aka the customers telling everyone we want a new gen to start now.



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DirtyP2002 on 10 August 2012

I didn't know the Vita was THAT deep in trouble.



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