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Boutros on 06 August 2012
Lyrikalstylez said:
check out how great it has been over here in chicago since guns have been bann'd, only 500+ murders a year :-|

if anything this shows more people need to carry weapons

They aren't banned in Chicago just more restricted. And it needs more time for something like that to change.



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HappySqurriel on 06 August 2012
Boutros said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
check out how great it has been over here in chicago since guns have been bann'd, only 500+ murders a year :-|

if anything this shows more people need to carry weapons

They aren't banned in Chicago just more restricted. And it needs more time for something like that to change.


Yeah, because the drug dealer is going to start to resort to singing Kumbaya and make peace with his rivals after they try to take his teritory away from him?



Boutros on 06 August 2012
HappySqurriel said:
Boutros said:
HappySqurriel said:
Boutros said:

 

The fact is, legalality of weapons makes it easier to get your hands on one.


If you take out gang and drug related incidence, the statistics are virtually identical

How can you tell?

And besides, there are gangs and drugs in Canada too. It's simply that gangs aren't all that impressive without guns. And that's because it's illegal.

Gang crime is relatively new to Canada, primarily because we didn't build the moronic housing projects that were built in major US centers in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s.

The firearm related homicides in the United States are (mostly) centered around major US centers where between 75% and 90% of their murders are gun related or gang related. If you compare these cities to Canadian cities of similar size, and remove drug and gang related violence in both cities, the statistics become remarkably similar.

Even with our "tougher" gun laws, and gangs have moved out of Detroit (and similar North Eastern cities) into Toronto the number of murders using handguns has began to increase rapidly. Gangs and drugs are the problems, not the Redneck who wants to show off his AK-47 at the shooting range.

But don't you think that Canada being right beside the US makes a difference?

It would probably be best to compare the US with the UK.



Boutros on 06 August 2012
HappySqurriel said:
Boutros said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
check out how great it has been over here in chicago since guns have been bann'd, only 500+ murders a year :-|

if anything this shows more people need to carry weapons

They aren't banned in Chicago just more restricted. And it needs more time for something like that to change.


Yeah, because the drug dealer is going to start to resort to singing Kumbaya and make peace with his rivals after they try to take his teritory away from him?

So you're saying there shouldn't be any actions taken just because anyway it wouldn't change anything? That's weak.



Mr Khan on 06 August 2012
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:

I've said before, these city-by-city bans won't work because of the loose laws within driving distance. It's easy to buy a gun legally elsewhere and simply drag it back into town. A nationwide ban would make it different.

Ok, but that doesn't explain why crime rates seem to go down when such laws are struck down as unconstitutional.

Is this a momentary trend, or one that persists over time?



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HappySqurriel on 06 August 2012
Boutros said:
HappySqurriel said:
Boutros said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
check out how great it has been over here in chicago since guns have been bann'd, only 500+ murders a year :-|

if anything this shows more people need to carry weapons

They aren't banned in Chicago just more restricted. And it needs more time for something like that to change.


Yeah, because the drug dealer is going to start to resort to singing Kumbaya and make peace with his rivals after they try to take his teritory away from him?

So you're saying there shouldn't be any actions taken just because anyway it wouldn't change anything? That's weak.

I'm saying that murder is an act that requires a motive, and it is the motive not the tool used that is the cause for the murder ...

As long as drug dealers have a motive to find a gun and kill a rival they will find a gun and kill a rival. Making guns illegal will have no more of an impact in preventing these drug dealers from having a gun than making drugs illegal has prevented them from getting their hands on drugs.



mrstickball on 06 August 2012
Mr Khan said:
It's long since overdue. The NRA has a stranglehold on our society and would have us all live in fear of one another, mixing racism and paranoia in good measure. American gun owners make up less than 1% of the world's population, but own 1/3rd of the world's guns, and nobody needs that many guns.

You don't need assault rifles for any reason other than mass murder or trying to overthrow the government, for one. Anyone who owns one should categorically fall under police suspicion.

The AR-15, an assault rifle, is the best selling firearm in America, and has been for awhile. Why, then, don't we see even a moderate amount of crimes being committed with assault rifles?



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SamuelRSmith on 06 August 2012

Gun laws don't work, because criminals don't obey the laws. That's why they're criminals.

How many school shootings would have been as bloody if the staff and faculty were allowed guns? Would 9/11 have been successful if passenger and/or flight attendant staff could be armed? How many women would be raped if more of them carried guns?

Not to mention defense against the police. Who knows what the future holds? It's about time that people remembered that the USA even exists today because of guns. If Britain had disarmed the colonies, the Revolution would have never occurred.

There's a reason why people in North Korea and China aren't allowed guns, and it's not because the Governments are opposed to hunting.



Mr Khan on 06 August 2012
mrstickball said:
Mr Khan said:
It's long since overdue. The NRA has a stranglehold on our society and would have us all live in fear of one another, mixing racism and paranoia in good measure. American gun owners make up less than 1% of the world's population, but own 1/3rd of the world's guns, and nobody needs that many guns.

You don't need assault rifles for any reason other than mass murder or trying to overthrow the government, for one. Anyone who owns one should categorically fall under police suspicion.

The AR-15, an assault rifle, is the best selling firearm in America, and has been for awhile. Why, then, don't we see even a moderate amount of crimes being committed with assault rifles?

All the more reason for no-one to be buying them.



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mrstickball on 06 August 2012
Mr Khan said:
mrstickball said:
Mr Khan said:
It's long since overdue. The NRA has a stranglehold on our society and would have us all live in fear of one another, mixing racism and paranoia in good measure. American gun owners make up less than 1% of the world's population, but own 1/3rd of the world's guns, and nobody needs that many guns.

You don't need assault rifles for any reason other than mass murder or trying to overthrow the government, for one. Anyone who owns one should categorically fall under police suspicion.

The AR-15, an assault rifle, is the best selling firearm in America, and has been for awhile. Why, then, don't we see even a moderate amount of crimes being committed with assault rifles?

All the more reason for no-one to be buying them.


What kind of logic is that? Like I said, assault rifle-type weapons are the most sold weapons in America currently, yet are used in very few crimes. I love it how you brand tens of millions of firearm owners as being suspicious, again despite the fact that such weapons are rarely used in crimes.



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