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Nsanity on 05 August 2012
Runa216 said:
ZaneWane said:

keep telling yourself that

Hey, if you guys get to twist things around to make Sony look like the devil, glorifying a paltry 2 million difference in global sales, I'll gladly pick and chose what I believe as well.  Puts us on the same level. 

Either way, PS3 WILL end up higher than the 360 by the time it's all said and done.  Even if not by the time the next gen starts, we all know Sony will continue to sell the damn things years into the PS4's lifecycle.  

Shit just got real!





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Turkish on 05 August 2012
Nsanity said:
Runa216 said:
ZaneWane said:

keep telling yourself that

Hey, if you guys get to twist things around to make Sony look like the devil, glorifying a paltry 2 million difference in global sales, I'll gladly pick and chose what I believe as well.  Puts us on the same level. 

Either way, PS3 WILL end up higher than the 360 by the time it's all said and done.  Even if not by the time the next gen starts, we all know Sony will continue to sell the damn things years into the PS4's lifecycle.  

Shit just got real!

 What is the relevance of that picture and quoting him?



Player1x3 on 05 August 2012
Mandalore76 said:

 

Turkish said:

You're just in denial, its hard to fathom how a 12 year old console and its bigger brother that was called the next Dreamcast outsell the competition this much. What matters is how much a company sells their console, you shouldnt limit yourself with pathetic quotas like "same market, same generation". Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

 

I can add multi-generational stats too:

Gameboy (118.69 mil) + Gameboy Advance (81.51 mil) + Nintendo DS (152.33 mil) + Wii (96.37 mil) = Nintendo 448.90 million

Play Station (104.25 mil) + Play Station 2 (153.68 mil) + PSP (74.86) + Play Station 3 (65.52 mil) = Sony 398.31 million

See what I just did right there?  3 Nintendo Handhelds and their current console lead the entire Sony console family and their main selling portable by 50 million units.  Now, does my edition serve any other purpose than to show a grouping of Nintendo products housing the same # of Sony products in sales?  Honestly, no it doesn't.  And, that's what I think of not just this specific thread, but of any cross-generational/cross platform argument.  There are variables taking place in other generations that make it senseless to compare them to the one you are currently living in. 


Except that you counted 4 handhelds there, not 3. Gameboy AND Gameboy Colour TOGETHER sold 118 million untis. Kinda unfair to compare 5 systems to only 4 systems, no? And the fact remains that sony made 5 PS systems and sold together lets say 402 million untis, averages about 80.4 M untis sold per system and Nintendo sold about 565 million hardware units off of 11 major game systems, averages about 56.4 M untis sold per system. So your point is still flawed



Turkish on 05 August 2012
Player1x3 said:
Mandalore76 said:

 

Turkish said:

You're just in denial, its hard to fathom how a 12 year old console and its bigger brother that was called the next Dreamcast outsell the competition this much. What matters is how much a company sells their console, you shouldnt limit yourself with pathetic quotas like "same market, same generation". Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

 

I can add multi-generational stats too:

Gameboy (118.69 mil) + Gameboy Advance (81.51 mil) + Nintendo DS (152.33 mil) + Wii (96.37 mil) = Nintendo 448.90 million

Play Station (104.25 mil) + Play Station 2 (153.68 mil) + PSP (74.86) + Play Station 3 (65.52 mil) = Sony 398.31 million

See what I just did right there?  3 Nintendo Handhelds and their current console lead the entire Sony console family and their main selling portable by 50 million units.  Now, does my edition serve any other purpose than to show a grouping of Nintendo products housing the same # of Sony products in sales?  Honestly, no it doesn't.  And, that's what I think of not just this specific thread, but of any cross-generational/cross platform argument.  There are variables taking place in other generations that make it senseless to compare them to the one you are currently living in. 


Except that you counted 4 handhelds there, not 3. Gameboy AND Gameboy Colour TOGETHER sold 118 million untis. Kinda unfair to compare 5 systems to only 4 systems, no? And the fact remains that sony made 5 PS systems and sold together lets say 402 million untis, averages about 80.4 M untis sold per system and Nintendo sold about 565 million hardware units off of 11 major game systems, averages about 56.4 M untis sold per system. So your point is still flawed

Good point there mate, that will be the topic of my next thread if you dont mind.



Farsala on 05 August 2012
kowenicki said:
Farsala said:
Mandalore76 said:
Runa216 said:
ZaneWane said:

keep telling yourself that

Hey, if you guys get to twist things around to make Sony look like the devil, glorifying a paltry 2 million difference in global sales, I'll gladly pick and chose what I believe as well.  Puts us on the same level. 

Either way, PS3 WILL end up higher than the 360 by the time it's all said and done.  Even if not by the time the next gen starts, we all know Sony will continue to sell the damn things years into the PS4's lifecycle.  

I think that sometimes we miss the point about why PS2 still sells today when XBox and especially Gamecube no longer need to.  Nintendo as a company FULLY embraced backwards compatibility for their consumer.  The original Wii's (not the new bundles that came out a couple of years ago) play every single game from the Gamecube library.  I'm currently playing Tales of Symphonia for Gamecube on my Wii right now.  XBox 360 doesn't have as complete a backwards compatibility, but they thought it good enough that they didn't need to continue marketing their previous generation's system.  My brother's PS3 crashes when trying to play one of the Final Fantasy games he had for PS2, so yeah, Sony still markets the PS2 for gamers who want to access their old library of games.  When the Wii U releases, it will also have FULL backwards compatibility.  Therefore, Nintendo will not need to market the original Wii system well into the next generation.  People should consider that when referring to the Wii as a dead system, when Nintendo doesn't need to sell last generation's system while their next gen system will support that library all ready.  I think that people who hail the continued PS2 sales in this generation as miraculous are bypassing the fact that Sony made sure of that by not included full backwards compatibility into their new system.  If today, in 2012, while having neither Sony console to start with, you had a choice of purchasing a system that played PS2 and PS3 games, or having to choose one or the other, what would you choose?  I mean, let's not kid ourselves here.  If PS3 was 100% backwards compatible, do you really think there would be any need for someone to buy/own a PS2 anymore?  When I moved last year, I didn't need to hook my Gamecube back up, because my Wii plays all of those games.  I couldn't say the same about my PS2 if I had purchased a PS3.  What the real question should be, is do you think that continued software support for PS2 as late into this generation as it was, and incomplete backwards compatibility with the PS3 caused Sony to fall into last place this generation?

Your post is flawed though, when PS3 1st came out it was fully BC and that was when PS2 kept selling tons. Why get a PS2 when PS3 can do the same thing? It is all up to pricing. My 360 did not play any of my original xbox games except for halo 2. The reason it dropped was because it did what it was supposed to do and Microsoft wanted to focus on their new console.

 

@bold If I had neither then I would choose PS3 because it has full software support. PS2s are really cheap though :)

wtf?

http://xbox.about.com/od/xbox360faqs/a/360bclist.htm

I tried 5 games on that list and sadly they did not work :(. Also had Mechassault, which is not on the list and of course did not work.



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Mandalore76 on 05 August 2012
Player1x3 said:


Except that you counted 4 handhelds there, not 3. Gameboy AND Gameboy Colour TOGETHER sold 118 million untis. Kinda unfair to compare 5 systems to only 4 systems, no? And the fact remains that sony made 5 PS systems and sold together lets say 402 million untis, averages about 80.4 M untis sold per system and Nintendo sold about 565 million hardware units off of 11 major game systems, averages about 56.4 M untis sold per system. So your point is still flawed



I already apologized days ago for my original post on this thread.



Mandalore76 on 05 August 2012
Farsala said:
kowenicki said:

wtf?

http://xbox.about.com/od/xbox360faqs/a/360bclist.htm

I tried 5 games on that list and sadly they did not work :(. Also had Mechassault, which is not on the list and of course did not work.

Off the top of my head, of games that I own from XBox and kept and played on my 360, I can confirm that Jade Empire, Ninja Gaiden, NHL 2004, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2, and Star Wars Revenge of the Sith all work on 360.  Being that I'm not at home at the moment, these are just what I can confirm off the top of my head.  Plus, why mention that your MechAssault does not work, if the Backwards Compatibility list never said it does?  Anyways, I don't deny that I also have original XBox games that did not work on 360.  But, I never said it had "complete" backwards compatibility.  I said the Wii did.



Farsala on 05 August 2012
Mandalore76 said:
Farsala said:
kowenicki said:

wtf?

http://xbox.about.com/od/xbox360faqs/a/360bclist.htm

I tried 5 games on that list and sadly they did not work :(. Also had Mechassault, which is not on the list and of course did not work.

Off the top of my head, of games that I own from XBox and kept and played on my 360, I can confirm that Jade Empire, Ninja Gaiden, NHL 2004, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2, and Star Wars Revenge of the Sith all work on 360.  Being that I'm not at home at the moment, these are just what I can confirm off the top of my head.  Plus, why mention that your MechAssault does not work, if the Backwards Compatibility list never said it does?  Anyways, I don't deny that I also have original XBox games that did not work on 360.  But, I never said it had "complete" backwards compatibility.  I said the Wii did.

Honestly idk why mine did not work. Maybe hardware or disc problems. I never said Wii didn't :).



ZaneWane on 05 August 2012
Runa216 said:
ZaneWane said:

keep telling yourself that

Hey, if you guys get to twist things around to make Sony look like the devil, glorifying a paltry 2 million difference in global sales, I'll gladly pick and chose what I believe as well.  Puts us on the same level. 

Either way, PS3 WILL end up higher than the 360 by the time it's all said and done.  Even if not by the time the next gen starts, we all know Sony will continue to sell the damn things years into the PS4's lifecycle.  

that is what you are doing



Mandalore76 on 05 August 2012
Farsala said:

Your post is flawed though, when PS3 1st came out it was fully BC and that was when PS2 kept selling tons. Why get a PS2 when PS3 can do the same thing? It is all up to pricing. My 360 did not play any of my original xbox games except for halo 2. The reason it dropped was because it did what it was supposed to do and Microsoft wanted to focus on their new console.

 

@bold If I had neither then I would choose PS3 because it has full software support. PS2s are really cheap though :)

Was it fully backwards compatible as you say?  I have Spartan: Total Warrior for Gamecube and played it on my Wii last month with my nephew while on vacation.  This is the response I got when I typed the same game title into us.playstation.com Backwards Compatibility search to see if the PS2 version plays on PS3:

Backward Compatibility Status

Are your PlayStation®1 and PlayStation®2 system games compatible with your PlayStation®3 system?

The 20GB, 60GB and 80GB PS3™ systems can play some games designed for older systems. Find out if you can play your PS1 and PS2 system games on your PS3™ system here.

Enter a game title below to determine compatibility.
Tip: Search using complete word(s).

Platform:
20GB/60GB Playstation®3 80GB Playstation®3 Model CECHE01
Game Title (*):

    This game isn't compatible with the console you've picked. Try another one?

Anyways, bc wasn't the sole basis of what I was pointing out.  Just a component of it.  Are you all saying that by continuing to support PS2 hardware & software well into this generation had zero effect on PS3 sales?  Because, as I recall, one of the things that hurt sales of Sega Saturn when it came out was how much support Sega was still putting into the Genesis at the time.  So, I think it's a fair argument to say that PS2 has been cutting into PS3's sales overall.  And if PS4 is not backwards compatible, which I have heard it will not be, then of course PS3 units will continue to sell long after Wii is discontinued.  The Wii U has been confirmed to be backwards compatible and will not need the Wii competing with it for market space.