If anything I would personally say, which I believe, that whenever people rave about PS3 graphics I would say its marginal over 360s best. No need to bring in PC. Unlike PS3, 360 can stand up on its own.

Grasp at straws? LOL please. Its common knowledge PS3 fans are obsessed with exclusives and if you mention a 360 multiplat with a PC version, you WILL get the "not exclusive, play it on PC" response. Thats a crutch no matter how you slice it. 

Nah, I've seen it used much more by the Sony camp to discredit 360 exclusives. It matters because it esckews debates I've seen it happen. I've personally never seen it used by a 360 fan.

Come on let's be honest.

ok. The "retail exclusive" part is the biggest BS in the Sony fanboy arsenel. Those 2 words are meant to cover up and sweep under the rug all things that give 360 an edge. Been trying to combat this "list propaganda" for a while. 

"exclusive" cuts out all 360 multiplats not on PS3. Thats a big 360 edge on PS3. Convienent for them huh. 

"retail" cuts out XBLA since it constantly releases more quality then PSN every year. Nice propaganda. 

But you admit 360 has more games, better online, and its winning over PS3 in the console war........those are the key points. Any other point is moot. You have those 3......you win. Simple as that. PS3 fans simply outnumber 360 ones with pure sensitivity and since its working, they are getting even more cocky. But in the end, its pointless as they are still the losers of the gen. 

And no, PS3 users PM me saying PS3 is winning because they count sales as if they launched at the same time, or they count sales of the current year, not total sales. Sales matter. It validates the fanboys opinion. They need the PS3 to win, to get back to the "glory days" lol. They also say they dont care about Sony bleeding money, as long as they keep giving games. That claim in itself is respectable, but from a console war perspective that matters as well. 

Forced to prove I have a life? This is online and I have no obligations to anyone. Thing is it got to a point where it took up too much of my time so I scaled it back. Im happy where I am now. I dont care if you believe that.

Your last line is by far the most deluded.....saying all fanboys are the same. Thats like saying different countries have the same culture. There ARE cultures to us. But at least we agree on Sony fans have the numbers. Personally it is and always will be because its group therapy lol.......if you know how bad Sony did gen over gen, if you clutter around yourself all like-minded people and shut out all opposing opinions, they will eventually believe its not so bad.  But thats me. 

Like happydolphin said below you, playing the ignorance is bliss card doesnt help you. There is no "both sides" on 360 and PS3 fans using the PC card. Its mostly, if not "exclusively" (pun intended :P) used by PS3 fans to discredit 360s games not available on it. 

It is certainly a valid point that many dwell on if you pay attention. The issue goes back to the thread topic. Sony fans are the worst because they act smug with the PS3 superiority complex.....but most admit to using a PC to assist it

Before I go to bed......your point is flawed in that 360 games with PC versions is one of 360s biggest selling points. You act like its just a game here and there. Off the top of my head you have Left 4 Dead 1 and 2, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Alan Wake, Minecraft, and Witcher 2.

You wanna tell me 360 having those games (and much more then those) and its biggest competitor, PS3, not having them isnt a big deal? For console only gamers I assure you that IS a big deal. But PS3 gamers like to sweep them under the rug by only counting exclusives or saying they could just play them on the PC. How you think 360 owners use the PC card at all astounds me. This is what makes me know our little debate is at and end: you are unwilling or unable to see reality and play the neutral card, that everybody is the same. Gimme a break. 

CGI I litteraly saw the game in person on Wednesday at our Sony meeting

Its not that much of a step up. But then again this late in the gen nothing will be. In fact theres games out right now with better character models. That said the attention to detail in the world itself really is beautiful. Naughty Dog really managed to build a believable world. After seeing the demo thats what stuck with me most was how they managed to make the game feal so real if that makes any sense. Its not really stylized at all

It will sweep graphics awards in 2013....

I never said its not the best because while I only saw about 15 minutes of gameplay in and around the Pitsburg location I can openly say it IS the best

Its just not a huge step up. As a package the bit Ive seen is stunning. But not so much so to where it makes other games look bad.

I just, you drive me up the wall sometimes :D Like here you're pointing out his hypocrisies and in the one I pointed out you said it's like kindergarden and doesn't matter.

How can I respect that? :$

Because this all comes back to my original point that Sony fansbiys generally overhype their own games when they dont need to, especially graphics.

As a whole PS3 exclusives tend to look a bit better. Sony fanboys however will go on for pages about how stuff like Uncharted destroys other games which just isnt true.

But at the end of the day I still more often times than not give PS3 1st party games the nod in terms of graphics. Some games like Witcher 2 and Gears 3 hang with them but Naughty Dog and Santa Monica in particular are graphic powerhouses