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badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

And it is bull to say there isn't a revenue problem.  Your flat denial is absurd.  Now, you can argue there is a larger spending problem, but there is also a revenue problem.

Tax revenue is at a historic low when workforce participation is at a historic low... no way! That's unpossible!

Since you can't close the deficit by raising revenues, it is a spending problem. No amount of pointing to irrelevant numbers will change that.

Nah, it is ok, so long as the government doesn't do it.  In Somolia, just get bigger guns and a bigger private military and police force, and you are all set.  Somolia truly rewards the more competitive, smarter, stronger, and more industrious.  Plus, it had the added advantage of killing off the weak.  



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richardhutnik said:

And is the case with what happened with the financial meltdown and Wall Street, the guns are far less visible than with government.

In fact, the argument for markets being so superior to government is that it is a non-violent way to get what you want.  So, there are many of ways to get money, and still harm people, and there is no visible blood you need to worry about.  Who needs guns, when you can be Madoff?

Good thing the government didn't bail them all out, because that would just make sure that no one learns a lesson and it will happen all over again.

Oh, wait.



badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

Make a ridiculous statement, get a ridiculous rebuttal. Keeps things nice and even.

And there's no "socialist" redistribution going on over there. That is a private, religious organization, al Shebab.

Your move

Obama is a fucking asshole who has never broken a sweat in his life, so it's no wonder he thinks very little of other people's accomplishments. That's not a ridiculous statement, that's a fact. And I know you think it's a clever tactic and all, but bellowing "SOMALIA!!!!!1111111111" right on cue doesn't address that fact and therefore it isn't a rebuttal.

Lawyering and politics are work, as much as people like to deride them, and certainly as much as shifting money around for a living seems to amount to "work," which is why i ignored your attempt at private-sector elitism and cut right to the other part of your point, that government is bad and less is more, offering an appropriate counterexample.



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richardhutnik said:
badgenome said:

Tax revenue is at a historic low when workforce participation is at a historic low... no way! That's unpossible!

Since you can't close the deficit by raising revenues, it is a spending problem. No amount of pointing to irrelevant numbers will change that.

Nah, it is ok, so long as the government doesn't do it.  In Somolia, just get bigger guns and a bigger private military and police force, and you are all set.  Somolia truly rewards the more competitive, smarter, stronger, and more industrious.  Plus, it had the added advantage of killing off the weak.  

Christ's balls, you are incoherent. What the bleeding fuck does that have to do with what you've quoted, or with anything I've ever said?



badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

And it is bull to say there isn't a revenue problem.  Your flat denial is absurd.  Now, you can argue there is a larger spending problem, but there is also a revenue problem.

Tax revenue is at a historic low when workforce participation is at a historic low... no way! That's unpossible!

Since you can't close the deficit by raising revenues, it is a spending problem. No amount of pointing to irrelevant numbers will change that.

Obviously also, businesses can't address running deficits either, by raising their prices.  And nope, you can't close deficits by having more money.  It is a maxim that people get rich by spending less money.

Ignore David Stockman saying tax rates are too low:

http://billmoyers.com/content/david-stockman-on-the-folly-of-anti-tax-crusades/

“Taxes are the price we pay for civilization,” Stockman says, borrowing a quotation from Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. “What they’re saying today is foolish, it’s irresponsible. How can anyone believe with the kind of deficit that we have — a trillion dollars, year after year after year — that we can keep taxes as low as they are?”



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badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

Let's try picking a country where those prissy little assholes don't exist. Oh, let's say, Somalia. Pleasant country, that, where no-one is confiscating or redistributing anything.

herp derp somalia. How predictable.

FYI, they do redistribute stuff there. The only difference is that the gun is more immediately visible.

Nah, it is ok, so long as the government doesn't do it.  In Somolia, just get bigger guns and a bigger private military and police force, and you are all set.  Somolia truly rewards the more competitive, smarter, stronger, and more industrious.  Plus, it had the added advantage of killing off the weak.   

 

That quote was a response to the wrong post.



Mr Khan said:

Lawyering and politics are work, as much as people like to deride them, and certainly as much as shifting money around for a living seems to amount to "work," which is why i ignored your attempt at private-sector elitism and cut right to the other part of your point, that government is bad and less is more, offering an appropriate counterexample.

No, the point is that while some government is necessary, it's nice if the people running the show have some sense of conscience about spending other people's money instead of blowing it like drunken sailors and demonizing people for not wanting to cough up more. But then when you have someone in charge like Obama, who has never created one penny's worth of wealth in his entire pampered life, it isn't surprising that he feels that way.

No less a leftist than George McGovern came to appreciate how much government cocks up things when he tried to run his stupid little bed and breakfast. He even remarked that he wished he had known that when he was in government, which kind of makes the point that people should actually do things before they try to tell other people how to do things, not to mention what things they can and cannot do.



richardhutnik said:

Obviously also, businesses can't address running deficits either, by raising their prices.  And nope, you can't close deficits by having more money.  It is a maxim that people get rich by spending less money.

Ignore David Stockman saying tax rates are too low:

http://billmoyers.com/content/david-stockman-on-the-folly-of-anti-tax-crusades/

“Taxes are the price we pay for civilization,” Stockman says, borrowing a quotation from Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. “What they’re saying today is foolish, it’s irresponsible. How can anyone believe with the kind of deficit that we have — a trillion dollars, year after year after year — that we can keep taxes as low as they are?”

So the fact that it is literally impossible to close the deficit (never mind all our unfunded liabilities) by raising taxes doesn't mean anything to you?



The US just like debt riddled Europe: Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal have a big culture of tax evasion. The rich use any means possible to evade paying taxes and take advantage of tax loopholes. Libertarians/conservatives always go on about taxation being theft and the government has a gun held to their heads.



badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

Obviously also, businesses can't address running deficits either, by raising their prices.  And nope, you can't close deficits by having more money.  It is a maxim that people get rich by spending less money.

Ignore David Stockman saying tax rates are too low:

http://billmoyers.com/content/david-stockman-on-the-folly-of-anti-tax-crusades/

“Taxes are the price we pay for civilization,” Stockman says, borrowing a quotation from Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. “What they’re saying today is foolish, it’s irresponsible. How can anyone believe with the kind of deficit that we have — a trillion dollars, year after year after year — that we can keep taxes as low as they are?”

So the fact that it is literally impossible to close the deficit (never mind all our unfunded liabilities) by raising taxes doesn't mean anything to you?

Apparently the concept that tax revenues are also too low has demonstrated no realm of possibility in your cognitive processes, no matter how many people say that the rate of taxes are too low, or David Stockman says the way capital gains taxes are set up is cronyism also.  See, I am more than willing to say there is a need for even more cuts, in addition to raising some tax rates.  You apparently are incapable of grasping the concept of the need for more tax revenue and raising taxes.  Well, guess who is going to get closer to balancing the budget, if that is the path you want to go down?  Here is a hint: It certainly isn't going to be you.