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Anarchy? You know, individuals who are anacho-capitalists if you equated them with Communists. Yes, you have individuals on the left who are anarchist and are communist leaning (more like bottom-up Communists).

For those who are Libertarian, if you are getting upset at Anarchists, realize that to the rest of the world, you look like what you think Anarchists are, individuals who just want to burn everything down, and leave rubble, in the name of your own selfish interests.



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richardhutnik said:
Anarchy? You know, individuals who are anacho-capitalists if you equated them with Communists. Yes, you have individuals on the left who are anarchist and are communist leaning (more like bottom-up Communists).

For those who are Libertarian, if you are getting upset at Anarchists, realize that to the rest of the world, you look like what you think Anarchists are, individuals who just want to burn everything down, and leave rubble, in the name of your own selfish interests.

Who's upset at anarchists? I just said that a lot of troublemakers who call themselves anarchists (but are actually not, for the most part) crash the WTO and things like that. Those aren't actual anarchists, they're just shitheads who appropriate the label but want an even bigger government that will do their bidding.

As for the bolded, I don't think the "rest of the world" is that stupid. Only tit-clutching leftists are.



Since no one has managed to explain how Romney changed the meaning of Obama's statement by taking it out of context, let's look at Obama's explanation.

"You think you're so smart, you think you worked so hard, there are roadzzzzz and teacherzzzz, you didn't build that!" = "Small businesses rule, let's support them (by raising taxes on them)!"?



badgenome said:

Since no one has managed to explain how Romney changed the meaning of Obama's statement by taking it out of context, let's look at Obama's explanation.

 

"You think you're so smart, you think you worked so hard, there are roadzzzzz and teacherzzzz, you didn't build that!" = "Small businesses rule, let's support them (by raising taxes on them)!"?

Are you implying that all or the majority of small businesses make 250k dollars and up?



badgenome said:

Since no one has managed to explain how Romney changed the meaning of Obama's statement by taking it out of context, let's look at Obama's explanation.

"You think you're so smart, you think you worked so hard, there are roadzzzzz and teacherzzzz, you didn't build that!" = "Small businesses rule, let's support them (by raising taxes on them)!"?

Yeah I couldn't help but think about how much it plays up to the validity of this article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443931404577549223178294822.html?mod=e2tw



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Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:

Since no one has managed to explain how Romney changed the meaning of Obama's statement by taking it out of context, let's look at Obama's explanation.

 

"You think you're so smart, you think you worked so hard, there are roadzzzzz and teacherzzzz, you didn't build that!" = "Small businesses rule, let's support them (by raising taxes on them)!"?

Yeah I couldn't help but think about how much it plays up to the validity of this article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443931404577549223178294822.html?mod=e2tw

I liked the article, but in modern global capitalism, what prevents our companies from becoming multinationals?

The way I see it, the free market and capitalism are the greatest force on Earth, but it isn't a loyal force except to the capitalists and traders. What do we make of it then, when capitalists are the power? What are the solutions to this? As I see it, the manufacturing done overseas is to save costs on labor, so how do we as a country eschew that advantage and bring jobs back without regulation and governement?

I really don't see a solution there. Yes capitalism is great, but it rewards the capitalists, not the country the capitalists live in. Further, now capitalists (like Romney) are hiding their money in offshore accounts, and not circulating it in the economy. Circulation is the key to a strong economy. It feels like capitalists really are the problem.

As far as my feelings on it, look at Ralph Lauren, making our national uniforms in China. Now China is leading with gold medals. I know it sounds silly, but what the fuck are we doing as a country? We're giving them everything, sorry, the capitalists are giving them everything. The only solution here seems to be "become China", and that scares me.



theprof00 said:

Are you implying that all or the majority of small businesses make 250k dollars and up?

No, only about one-fourth of them do. Which is still 1.2 million.



theprof00 said:

As far as my feelings on it, look at Ralph Lauren, making our national uniforms in China. Now China is leading with gold medals. I know it sounds silly, but what the fuck are we doing as a country? We're giving them everything, sorry, the capitalists are giving them everything. The only solution here seems to be "become China", and that scares me.

What do those two things have to do with each other, or with anything at all for that matter? China is leading with gold medals (who cares?), and we... gave that to them along with our seamstress jobs?

You're right, though. That does sound silly.



badgenome said:
theprof00 said:

As far as my feelings on it, look at Ralph Lauren, making our national uniforms in China. Now China is leading with gold medals. I know it sounds silly, but what the fuck are we doing as a country? We're giving them everything, sorry, the capitalists are giving them everything. The only solution here seems to be "become China", and that scares me.

What do those two things have to do with each other, or with anything at all for that matter? China is leading with gold medals (who cares?), and we... gave that to them along with our seamstress jobs?

You're right, though. That does sound silly.

Their ability to compete comes from their infrastructure. It comes from them doing well financially and economically, and all we do is pour more and more coffers into their pockets. It's not just our seamstress jobs, it's every manufacturing job, and not only that, but with all the turn-key partnerships we have with them, we are technologically advancing them faster than anyone else. But maybe you're simply not aware of important details like that.



theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:

Since no one has managed to explain how Romney changed the meaning of Obama's statement by taking it out of context, let's look at Obama's explanation.

 

"You think you're so smart, you think you worked so hard, there are roadzzzzz and teacherzzzz, you didn't build that!" = "Small businesses rule, let's support them (by raising taxes on them)!"?

Yeah I couldn't help but think about how much it plays up to the validity of this article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443931404577549223178294822.html?mod=e2tw

I liked the article, but in modern global capitalism, what prevents our companies from becoming multinationals?

1) The way I see it, the free market and capitalism are the greatest force on Earth, but it isn't a loyal force except to the capitalists and traders. What do we make of it then, when capitalists are the power? What are the solutions to this? As I see it, the manufacturing done overseas is to save costs on labor, so how do we as a country eschew that advantage and bring jobs back without regulation and governement?

2) I really don't see a solution there. Yes capitalism is great, but it rewards the capitalists, not the country the capitalists live in. Further, now capitalists (like Romney) are hiding their money in offshore accounts, and not circulating it in the economy. Circulation is the key to a strong economy. It feels like capitalists really are the problem.

3) As far as my feelings on it, look at Ralph Lauren, making our national uniforms in China. Now China is leading with gold medals. I know it sounds silly, but what the fuck are we doing as a country? We're giving them everything, sorry, the capitalists are giving them everything. The only solution here seems to be "become China", and that scares me.

1) It doesn't.  Regulations don't bring back jobs either honestly.  What you do is create new jobs.  The real issue is when companies move out, not when their manufacturing does.

2) See your not asking yourself a question here "Why do countries want money in offshore banks... and why do people put their money in them?"

For countries, it's easy.  That money goes into their banks, they often collect a fee, and even if they don't there money circulates in the foreign economy.

I mean... remember.  You have to pay taxes on this money EVENTUALLY.  It's not like the US has a wealth tax.

 

For the person putting it in... often times there are perfectly legitamite reasons to have money in offshore bank accounts.  

For example Mitt Romney, he put his money in a blind trust when he started running for office to avoid conflicts of interest right?    Well Mitt Romney's financial advisor likely couldn't make the same invsetments he made for Mitt back when it wasn't a trust... unless that money is overseas, because trust law generally says the overseer can only invest in conservative stocks and bonds. 

This is done to protect trustees.  However some, like Mitt might trust his financial advisor with a bit more risk and want to set the risk limits higher.   He can't however... unless he moves some money to a trust overseas.  Or hell, honestly, the guy running his trust might of even did it himself.

Considering how a blind trust works.  Mitt Romney might not even have known he had money overseas.

 

Another reason is foreign investment.  The US doesn't allow us to invest in a LOT of places.   Like say you wanted to invest in Cuba.   You'd have to drive to Canada and open up an "Offshore" account there.   Though if your going that far, why not go with the bank that will give you the most benefits?

 

A third is just well... saftey

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/04/11/mitt-romney-swiss-bank-accounts/

 

3)  China is leading in gold medals because China doesn't care about forcing atheltes to take life shortening drugs... so...

Really it's no different then say... the Major League Baseball.  Steroids and HGH are illegal but a LOT of players use them anyway and gain a big advantage. (though often these substances aren't life shortening too.)

 

Also.  It's actually China's economy is not doing so hot lately.  A lot of It's economic drive seemed largely based on government spending, shady accounting and there attempts to artificially hold down their money. (which can't last forever.)

It's funny really.  Though supposidly "communists", their current economic system is probably the closest to Hitler's third way facist economics then anything that's ever existed... including Hitler's economy.