Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: If that means not making military first person shooters and arming Link with an AK-47 then I think that's great, if that means not exploring mature themes then that's not so great.  Why? If Nintendo's plan works, then 3rd parties will bring the mature themes. Nintendo is structured around games accessible to children.

Because Nintendo have some of the best development teams in the world and I'd love to see them experiment with new themes and franchises, including mature ones. I'm speaking solely as a consumer of course. If I was the CEO of Nintendo then of course I'd continue the current strategy.

Andrespetmonkey said: Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: If that means not making military first person shooters and arming Link with an AK-47 then I think that's great, if that means not exploring mature themes then that's not so great.  Why? If Nintendo's plan works, then 3rd parties will bring the mature themes. Nintendo is structured around games accessible to children. Because Nintendo have some of the best development teams in the world and I'd love to see them experiment with new themes and franchises, including mature ones. I'm speaking solely as a consumer of course. If I was the CEO of Nintendo then of course I'd continue the current strategy.

What makes you think their skill would transition well to mature gameplay? Nintendo themselves aaid they won't try hardcore gameplay because they aren't skilled at it.

On the one hand, good. They're clearly very talented at what they do, and if that involves ignoring more adult themed games then so be it. I can still enjoy a Mario game at 22 as much as I could at 12. Let the third parties take care of the online multiplayer audience.

On the other hand, bad. They don't need to make Call of Duty-esque games, just work on online versions of what they have. Metroid Prime Hunters (I'm told) had an absolutely stellar online mode, why wasn't something like that included in 3? Will a new game for the Wii-U have something like this?

(In before: "An online multiplayer mode detracts from the single-player experience!". I think games like Halo 3 and Uncharted 2 proved that's a load of bullshit)

I think Mario Kart Wii was a good start. In fact, it's great. Really friendly, smooth online play, but kept a Nintendo-esque feel (the whole seeing the Mii's of everyone else before you start racing was a nice touch). But keep going forward from here, don't stall in the same place or even go backwards with regards to online.

Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: If that means not making military first person shooters and arming Link with an AK-47 then I think that's great, if that means not exploring mature themes then that's not so great.  Why? If Nintendo's plan works, then 3rd parties will bring the mature themes. Nintendo is structured around games accessible to children. Because Nintendo have some of the best development teams in the world and I'd love to see them experiment with new themes and franchises, including mature ones. I'm speaking solely as a consumer of course. If I was the CEO of Nintendo then of course I'd continue the current strategy. What makes you think their skill would transition well to mature gameplay? Nintendo themselves aaid they won't try hardcore gameplay because they aren't skilled at it.

That's why you get a skilled studio to do the job. Isn't Namco developing the next Smash Bros?

Eitherway, its best Nintendo doesn't go the mature game route. It would be bad for their image

Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: If that means not making military first person shooters and arming Link with an AK-47 then I think that's great, if that means not exploring mature themes then that's not so great.  Why? If Nintendo's plan works, then 3rd parties will bring the mature themes. Nintendo is structured around games accessible to children. Because Nintendo have some of the best development teams in the world and I'd love to see them experiment with new themes and franchises, including mature ones. I'm speaking solely as a consumer of course. If I was the CEO of Nintendo then of course I'd continue the current strategy. What makes you think their skill would transition well to mature gameplay? Nintendo themselves aaid they won't try hardcore gameplay because they aren't skilled at it.

Naughty Dog didn't start out as a team that were 'skilled' at hardcore/mature gameplay, but they just built on it over time to become the company they are today.  You can physically see the progression through the Jak franchise into Uncharted, from a studio that started making mascot platformers.

Nintendo would be more than capable of doing it if they gave it a chance, it just sounds like they're too happy with the rut they're stuck in.  Like APM says, it's certainly the right decision from a business perspective, but as a consumer I wish they'd just give it a try.

Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: If that means not making military first person shooters and arming Link with an AK-47 then I think that's great, if that means not exploring mature themes then that's not so great. Why? If Nintendo's plan works, then 3rd parties will bring the mature themes. Nintendo is structured around games accessible to children.

...because if nintendo doesn't develop games that appeal to the CoD gamer than the CoD gamers won't buy a nintendo console. 

but with nintendo leading off the wiiU with yet another mini game collection you should probably expect to see a lot of third party mini game collections to follow.  enjoy!

Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: If that means not making military first person shooters and arming Link with an AK-47 then I think that's great, if that means not exploring mature themes then that's not so great.  Why? If Nintendo's plan works, then 3rd parties will bring the mature themes. Nintendo is structured around games accessible to children. Because Nintendo have some of the best development teams in the world and I'd love to see them experiment with new themes and franchises, including mature ones. I'm speaking solely as a consumer of course. If I was the CEO of Nintendo then of course I'd continue the current strategy. What makes you think their skill would transition well to mature gameplay? Nintendo themselves aaid they won't try hardcore gameplay because they aren't skilled at it.

I've seen this transition go well for other developers. Naughty Dog going from the cartoony, all-ages Crash and J&D to Uncharted and TLOU is the best example. 

I'm sure there are many, many ideas floating around the minds of Nintendo's game designers, many of which are bound to explore mature themes. Maybe they don't have the experience with these kind of games, but that's a risk I'd love them to take. 

Kresnik said: Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: If that means not making military first person shooters and arming Link with an AK-47 then I think that's great, if that means not exploring mature themes then that's not so great.  Why? If Nintendo's plan works, then 3rd parties will bring the mature themes. Nintendo is structured around games accessible to children. Because Nintendo have some of the best development teams in the world and I'd love to see them experiment with new themes and franchises, including mature ones. I'm speaking solely as a consumer of course. If I was the CEO of Nintendo then of course I'd continue the current strategy. What makes you think their skill would transition well to mature gameplay? Nintendo themselves aaid they won't try hardcore gameplay because they aren't skilled at it. Naughty Dog didn't start out as a team that were 'skilled' at hardcore/mature gameplay, but they just built on it over time to become the company they are today.  You can physically see the progression through the Jak franchise into Uncharted, from a studio that started making mascot platformers. Nintendo would be more than capable of doing it if they gave it a chance, it just sounds like they're too happy with the rut they're stuck in.  Like APM says, it's certainly the right decision from a business perspective, but as a consumer I wish they'd just give it a try.

The difference is that ND has never publicly said that they couldn't make hardcore games. Unlike Nintendo who has said so on multiple occasions. I don't think they would say such a thing if they didn't believe. I could understand if they were confident that they could pull off hardcore gameplay, but they don't. Why use resources on something you don't even have confidence in when you could use those resources for what has proven to work? And besides, they have their brand to uphold. So that's two reasons: Brand and lack of confidence.

kitler53 said: Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: If that means not making military first person shooters and arming Link with an AK-47 then I think that's great, if that means not exploring mature themes then that's not so great. Why? If Nintendo's plan works, then 3rd parties will bring the mature themes. Nintendo is structured around games accessible to children. ...because if nintendo doesn't develop games that appeal to the CoD gamer than the CoD gamers won't buy a nintendo console.  but with nintendo leading off the wiiU with yet another mini game collection you should probably expect to see a lot of third party mini game collections to follow.  enjoy!

Not really understanding this post.

Andrespetmonkey said: Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: Jay520 said: Andrespetmonkey said: If that means not making military first person shooters and arming Link with an AK-47 then I think that's great, if that means not exploring mature themes then that's not so great.  Why? If Nintendo's plan works, then 3rd parties will bring the mature themes. Nintendo is structured around games accessible to children. Because Nintendo have some of the best development teams in the world and I'd love to see them experiment with new themes and franchises, including mature ones. I'm speaking solely as a consumer of course. If I was the CEO of Nintendo then of course I'd continue the current strategy. What makes you think their skill would transition well to mature gameplay? Nintendo themselves aaid they won't try hardcore gameplay because they aren't skilled at it. I've seen this transition go well for other developers. Naughty Dog going from the cartoony, all-ages Crash and J&D to Uncharted and TLOU is the best example.  I'm sure here are many, many ideas floating around the minds of Nintendo's game designers, many of which are bound to explore mature themes. Maybe they don't have the experience with these kind of games, but that's a risk I'd love them to take.

If a developer comes out and says "we can't do XYZ very well" id say its likely they can't do XYZ very well. And as a gamer, I wouldn't want them doing those things when they already have am excellent strategy going on. And I'm not saying I wouldn't want new experiences. They could still work on new IPs with new gameplay but I wouldn't want them to go the mature route. Simply because being mature for the sake of being mature will have little benefits. You don't have be mature for the gameplay to be as best as it can be. Maturity is just a covering of the deeper gameplay. And I wouldn't want a company dramtically risking risking quality for an element that doesn't dramtically improve quality.