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mrstickball on 18 July 2012
Mr Khan said:
mrstickball said:
NintendoPie said:
mrstickball said:
NintendoPie said:
Wait, how in the world is Ohio above Florida?!


John Kaisch.

What does that have to do with anything?


He's worked wonders for the state since he got in office. Businesses aren't scared of being in the state anymore. Its far from perfect, but he's doing a lot of good for our state. The result is that in May, we had the 2nd highest job growth of any state in the US. Then you have all the fracking thats starting up that likely wouldn't have been approved under a Strickland administration.

Because it causes groundwater to catch fire, and the companies are allowed to keep whatever poisons they're pumping into the ground perfectly secret.

 

Poison is not a worthy tradeoff for profits. There needs to be a moratorium on fracking before it can be brought under proper environmental scrutiny with careful guidelines set in place for all companies to follow.

 

and lol at "Right to Work." The only "right" you have is to be fired if you get too uppity. That's what your "rights" afford you.

 

Care to cite an actual scientific study on fracking causing groundwater to be contaminated - enough to catch the water on fire? The last video I saw of it, the people went to jail for slander and falsification of the incedent.



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Mr Khan on 18 July 2012
mrstickball said:
Mr Khan said:

Because it causes groundwater to catch fire, and the companies are allowed to keep whatever poisons they're pumping into the ground perfectly secret.

 

Poison is not a worthy tradeoff for profits. There needs to be a moratorium on fracking before it can be brought under proper environmental scrutiny with careful guidelines set in place for all companies to follow.

 

and lol at "Right to Work." The only "right" you have is to be fired if you get too uppity. That's what your "rights" afford you.

 

Care to cite an actual scientific study on fracking causing groundwater to be contaminated - enough to catch the water on fire? The last video I saw of it, the people went to jail for slander and falsification of the incedent.

The documentary Gasland is more or less what i've needed on this. Of course, it's a moving target, as those companies have faced enough scrutiny to tighten up the screws on environmental considerations, but Federal legislation is still needed. At least to make them non-exempt under the Clean Water and Clean Air acts like they are now.



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mrstickball on 19 July 2012
Mr Khan said:
mrstickball said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Because it causes groundwater to catch fire, and the companies are allowed to keep whatever poisons they're pumping into the ground perfectly secret.

 

Poison is not a worthy tradeoff for profits. There needs to be a moratorium on fracking before it can be brought under proper environmental scrutiny with careful guidelines set in place for all companies to follow.

 

and lol at "Right to Work." The only "right" you have is to be fired if you get too uppity. That's what your "rights" afford you.

 

Care to cite an actual scientific study on fracking causing groundwater to be contaminated - enough to catch the water on fire? The last video I saw of it, the people went to jail for slander and falsification of the incedent.

The documentary Gasland is more or less what i've needed on this. Of course, it's a moving target, as those companies have faced enough scrutiny to tighten up the screws on environmental considerations, but Federal legislation is still needed. At least to make them non-exempt under the Clean Water and Clean Air acts like they are now.


A greater part of that movie is fraudulent. You shouldn't put so much faith in a documentary without doing some additional research to verify the claims.

http://www.kioga.org/communications/reports/GasLandDebunked.pdf/view

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/02/24/24greenwire-groundtruthing-academy-award-nominee-gasland-33228.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.mediaite.com/online/josh-fox-and-gasland-does-the-media-prefer-smoke/

Feel free to review any of the links. As per the EPA, fracking is regulated by the Clean Water Act: http://water.epa.gov/type/groundwater/uic/class2/hydraulicfracturing/wells_hydroreg.cfm

Thier quote:

While the SDWA specifically excludes hydraulic fracturing from UIC regulation under SDWA § 1421 (d)(1), the use of diesel fuel during hydraulic fracturing is still regulated by the UIC program. Any service company that performs hydraulic fracturing using diesel fuel must receive prior authorization through the applicable UIC program. For more information on how the UIC regulations apply to hydraulic fracturing using diesel fuels please see EPA's Guidance issued for public comment. The UIC regulations can be found in Title 40 of the Code of Federal Regulations Parts 144-148.


State oil and gas agencies may have additional regulations for hydraulic fracturing. In addition, states or EPA have authority under the Clean Water Act to regulate discharge of produced waters from hydraulic fracturing operations.



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Mr Khan on 19 July 2012
mrstickball said:
Mr Khan said:

The documentary Gasland is more or less what i've needed on this. Of course, it's a moving target, as those companies have faced enough scrutiny to tighten up the screws on environmental considerations, but Federal legislation is still needed. At least to make them non-exempt under the Clean Water and Clean Air acts like they are now.


A greater part of that movie is fraudulent. You shouldn't put so much faith in a documentary without doing some additional research to verify the claims.

http://www.kioga.org/communications/reports/GasLandDebunked.pdf/view

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/02/24/24greenwire-groundtruthing-academy-award-nominee-gasland-33228.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.mediaite.com/online/josh-fox-and-gasland-does-the-media-prefer-smoke/

Feel free to review any of the links. As per the EPA, fracking is regulated by the Clean Water Act: http://water.epa.gov/type/groundwater/uic/class2/hydraulicfracturing/wells_hydroreg.cfm

Thier quote:

While the SDWA specifically excludes hydraulic fracturing from UIC regulation under SDWA § 1421 (d)(1), the use of diesel fuel during hydraulic fracturing is still regulated by the UIC program. Any service company that performs hydraulic fracturing using diesel fuel must receive prior authorization through the applicable UIC program. For more information on how the UIC regulations apply to hydraulic fracturing using diesel fuels please see EPA's Guidance issued for public comment. The UIC regulations can be found in Title 40 of the Code of Federal Regulations Parts 144-148.


State oil and gas agencies may have additional regulations for hydraulic fracturing. In addition, states or EPA have authority under the Clean Water Act to regulate discharge of produced waters from hydraulic fracturing operations.

Nothing in the NYTimes link seems especially egregious. If anything, the documentarian is guilty of over-generalization and rounding up in a fair few cases, but many of more important facts (like no regulations on how the waste water is stored in 17 states) endure

I did mention "moving target" as well. Facts survive only for so long as action is taken.



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