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Damnyouall on 10 July 2012

Bookmark this thread. Next time some of you wonder why companies screw you over again and again, take away your freedom and price gauge you, go back here and read the posts of the corporate white knights who so willingly and predictably bend over each and every time. There is your explanation.

Those who are not willing to stand up for their freedom don't deserve it.



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

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adriane23 on 10 July 2012
outlawauron said:
adriane23 said:
outlawauron said:
adriane23 said:
Geez, ATLUS can't win for losing. They listened to their audience and provided Dual audio for this game, while still releasing the Japanese and U.S. versions a week apart, and they still catch hell. They knew that their Japanese audience could just buy the U.S. version of the game for $30 less, and from a business perspective, region-locking was the solution that made the most sense.

Region locking sucks and EU has been getting the short end of the stick for quite some time now (Mostly with PS Store offerings), but they've already explained that this will not be a common practice for them.

I'm not getting this game because there are only 13 characters, but it's silly to me to boycott a company (a small one at that) for making an intelligent business move.

Honestly, that's a piss poor argument. I understand for other reasons, but dual audio is not a premium feature. It's a standard that every other publisher has been including for years and it's quite silly that this Atlus' reaction to some 'service' they're providing by including features they should never have been in the talk of exclusion.

It would be a bad argument if that was their sole reason. They provided dual audio in conjunction with a short gap in-between the Japanese and U.S. release dates. With the Yen to U.S. dollar ratio being as it is, their Japanese consumers are paying $90.00 for games while Americans pay $60.00. If they didn't region lock this game, nothing would really stop Japanese gamers from just buying the U.S. version of the game.

Had they not implemented dual audio or the currencies were closer in value, they wouldn't have even bothered to do a region lock, but dual audio is apparently what's been requested of them by enough of their fan base and the economy is out of their control.

It's all irrelevant really. You have other companies who do the same with even closer releases despite a much worse ratio than it is now. Those are larger companies than Atlus, but doesn't change the fact that it's done all the time and a big deal isn't made about it.

You could think about the reverse whenever Japanese games were much cheaper (130+ yen = 1 dollar). No complaints about reverse importing there.

The only example I can think of that similar to this is when Capcom released Street Fighter IV worldwide almost simultaneously. Not sure what the Yen/U.S. dollar ratio was in 2009 (90Y/1D?). It was region free, but Capcom is a big company, and they rape their customers with DLC anyway. If Capcom were the same size as ATLUS and didn't have an urge for consumer butt sex, I bet they'd have implemented a region lock as well.

I don't think there has been a company the same size as ATLUS that has done this though.



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Mad55 on 10 July 2012
Damnyouall said:

Bookmark this thread. Next time some of you wonder why companies screw you over again and again, take away your freedom and price gauge you, go back here and read the posts of the corporate white knights who so willingly and predictably bend over each and every time. There is your explanation.

Those who are not willing to stand up for their freedom don't deserve it.

LMAO are you serious? The wii and 3ds are region locked why aren't you going all captain america about that. This is not a big deal let them make their money and continue to put out good products.



arcane_chaos on 10 July 2012
outlawauron said:
arcane_chaos said:
I really don't see how this becoming such a big deal...the people are going about this is as if Atlus has become some money grubbing company that put profits over it fans...It's one game that isn't even a AAA title that will probably only sell I'd say 200-250k LTD in the west and I think I'm being generous, I'm a huge fan of Atlus and even a bigger persona fan and I'm only slightly interested in the game(probably won't get it until it's $20.

sorry for Atlus trying to save some money for their very first region-locked on the PS3

Does not compute. The direct sequel to Persona 4 as a fighter with a great line up of characters developed by one of the best fighting game developers ever. I don't see how any Atlus or remote Persona fan can't be jizzing their pants over this. It's the perfect fanservice title for all Persona fans.

I'm just not in to fighters.....yes it's persona and thats enough to warrant purchase but not immediately, will wait to it's about $20-$30. will be getting Persona 4: The Golden on day one though if that means something to you :)



Tridrakious on 11 July 2012
Damnyouall said:

I don't blame Atlus USA, I blame Atlus. And so should you and everybody else, because this isn't just my pain, it's everyone's pain. This is one of those times where we need to act decisively to send a clear and strong signal. At least don't buy a new copy.


Well the only way to get a pre-owned game is for a new game to get purchased and then brought back.



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Damnyouall on 11 July 2012

Duh. But not everyone is going to refuse buying new copies; many American buyers won't even know about the region-lock. And of course there are ignorant people who refuse to look at the bigger picture and who will buy it even though they should show solidarity by boykotting it.



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

Mohasus on 11 July 2012

So, in your opinion, Atlus should delay the American release to 2013 and remove both the dual audio and the region lock. Right?



Damnyouall on 11 July 2012

In my opinion, they should not region-lock the game. I don't care what else they do.

For the uninitiated, the whole dual audio thing is not a problem, nor is the close release date. Japanese gamers don't re-import, never have. They buy their games in Japan. This whole re-import business is a non-issue, and hasn't been a problem for anyone in the past six years. All the more reason to be angry at Atlus for ruining a good thing for no real reason.



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

NintendoPie on 11 July 2012
Damnyouall said:

Bookmark this thread. Next time some of you wonder why companies screw you over again and again, take away your freedom and price gauge you, go back here and read the posts of the corporate white knights who so willingly and predictably bend over each and every time. There is your explanation.

Those who are not willing to stand up for their freedom don't deserve it.

You are over-reacting as bad as people did to Nintendo's E3 this year and this is about a game, not a Conference even.



Panama on 26 July 2012

Just ordered an imported HK copy for 70 bucks. The stuff I do for these guys. This move by Atlus is inexcusable no matter how I look at it.