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It is all of our responsibility to be highly critical of all the console manufacturers. You're not protecting your rights as a consumer if you don't view these corporations through a skeptical lens. The more critics the better. If you want to be a fan, then be a fan of the games.



 

Pjams said:
It is all of our responsibility to be highly critical of all the console manufacturers. You're not protecting your rights as a consumer if you don't view these corporations through a skeptical lens. The more critics the better. If you want to be a fan, then be a fan of the games.


There's a fine line between being constructively critical and being abusively critical.  

There are a lot of unwarranted criticisms being made as well.



MDMAlliance said:
Pjams said:
It is all of our responsibility to be highly critical of all the console manufacturers. You're not protecting your rights as a consumer if you don't view these corporations through a skeptical lens. The more critics the better. If you want to be a fan, then be a fan of the games.


There's a fine line between being constructively critical and being abusively critical.  

There are a lot of unwarranted criticisms being made as well.

True, but it's ok to try and remind or infrom people from time to time. People have drawn a line, but that line doesn't exist, we are all on the same side of the fence, with the console manufacturers and publishers on the other. It's our job to keep them in check. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for creating massive hype for games, and supporting the developers.



 

logic56 said:

hmm I always though it would be easy to outsell something when by comparison it's dirt cheap and heavily bundled, but maybe that's just me

But even back before the 3DS's price cut, it was selling better than the Vita is now. The price cut was in its 25th week; 16 out of its first 24 weeks (so 2/3 of them), the 3DS sold greater than 25k HW units. To date, across 29 weeks, the Vita has only managed to break 25k in Japan 6 times, assuming MC was correct about last week and Famitsu was not, and four of those weeks were its first four weeks.

Heck, 3DS broke 30k more weeks out of its first 24 than Vita has broken 15k in its 29.

Let me put it more directly: 3DS's average weekly sales from its 9th week (the week before its first uptick in sales, used as the "end" of its launch period) through its 23rd week (as its 24th week was ruined by the price drop announcement) was about 27k. Best-case scenario, one of Vita's best weeks yet with a new hardware model, a new bundle, and a new big game doesn't even match the 3DS's average weekly hardware sales from a period when it cost the same price.



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the_dengle said:
logic56 said:

hmm I always though it would be easy to outsell something when by comparison it's dirt cheap and heavily bundled, but maybe that's just me

But even back before the 3DS's price cut, it was selling better than the Vita is now. The price cut was in its 25th week; 16 out of its first 24 weeks (so 2/3 of them), the 3DS sold greater than 25k HW units. To date, across 29 weeks, the Vita has only managed to break 25k in Japan 6 times, assuming MC was correct about last week and Famitsu was not, and four of those weeks were its first four weeks.

Heck, 3DS broke 30k more weeks out of its first 24 than Vita has broken 15k in its 29.

Let me put it more directly: 3DS's average weekly sales from its 9th week (the week before its first uptick in sales, used as the "end" of its launch period) through its 23rd week (as its 24th week was ruined by the price drop announcement) was about 27k. Best-case scenario, one of Vita's best weeks yet with a new hardware model, a new bundle, and a new big game doesn't even match the 3DS's average weekly hardware sales from a period when it cost the same price.

yeah in that time did the Vita exist? and was it also dirt cheap and heavily bundled?

unbelieveably narrow point of views...... chartz lol



the_dengle said:
logic56 said:

hmm I always though it would be easy to outsell something when by comparison it's dirt cheap and heavily bundled, but maybe that's just me

But even back before the 3DS's price cut, it was selling better than the Vita is now. The price cut was in its 25th week; 16 out of its first 24 weeks (so 2/3 of them), the 3DS sold greater than 25k HW units. To date, across 29 weeks, the Vita has only managed to break 25k in Japan 6 times, assuming MC was correct about last week and Famitsu was not, and four of those weeks were its first four weeks.

Heck, 3DS broke 30k more weeks out of its first 24 than Vita has broken 15k in its 29.

Let me put it more directly: 3DS's average weekly sales from its 9th week (the week before its first uptick in sales, used as the "end" of its launch period) through its 23rd week (as its 24th week was ruined by the price drop announcement) was about 27k. Best-case scenario, one of Vita's best weeks yet with a new hardware model, a new bundle, and a new big game doesn't even match the 3DS's average weekly hardware sales from a period when it cost the same price.

Much more important than that... 3DS always had a bright future of games ahead. That's Vita's problem, not the sales right now.

Resident Evil (s), Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts, Mario(s), Animals Crossing, Kid Icarus... all those and others were known ages before they were released. 3DS owners hyped those kind of games, not Hatsune Miku.

Games take time to release. A lot! Vita now have to go through the announcement phase, then the whole long waiting phase, then just after that... release time and actual sales. This is something they should have done better. Right now should have been around the ending of the waiting phase for big games, not the "desperately in need of announcements" phase.



logic56 said:

yeah in that time did the Vita exist? and was it also dirt cheap and heavily bundled?

unbelieveably narrow point of views...... chartz lol

Pointing out that customers are choosing the 3DS over the Vita does not show that the Vita's sales are better than people are making them out to be. In fact, it does the opposite.

The 3DS was selling much better in Japan before its price cut than the Vita has been selling at the same price, and editorials were constantly exclaiming that the 3DS was in a lot of trouble because of those sales. The "why" isn't very important; the fact is that the Vita is selling terribly even in comparison to a console that was selling poorly, and it's Sony's responsibility to fix that. If the Vita continues to sell terribly, it means Sony is doing a terrible job of selling their product and they deserve to be criticized.

^ @VicViper, I don't really care what the Vita has or why it's selling poorly, I'm just saying that although this was one of its best weeks in HW sales, it was still a poor performance, as most of the Vita's weeks have been. We shouldn't give Sony a pat on the back just for making it to 25k. We should get in their face and yell at them to try harder.



VicViper said:
the_dengle said:
logic56 said:

hmm I always though it would be easy to outsell something when by comparison it's dirt cheap and heavily bundled, but maybe that's just me

But even back before the 3DS's price cut, it was selling better than the Vita is now. The price cut was in its 25th week; 16 out of its first 24 weeks (so 2/3 of them), the 3DS sold greater than 25k HW units. To date, across 29 weeks, the Vita has only managed to break 25k in Japan 6 times, assuming MC was correct about last week and Famitsu was not, and four of those weeks were its first four weeks.

Heck, 3DS broke 30k more weeks out of its first 24 than Vita has broken 15k in its 29.

Let me put it more directly: 3DS's average weekly sales from its 9th week (the week before its first uptick in sales, used as the "end" of its launch period) through its 23rd week (as its 24th week was ruined by the price drop announcement) was about 27k. Best-case scenario, one of Vita's best weeks yet with a new hardware model, a new bundle, and a new big game doesn't even match the 3DS's average weekly hardware sales from a period when it cost the same price.

Much more important than that... 3DS always had a bright future of games ahead. That's Vita's problem, not the sales right now.

Resident Evil (s), Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts, Mario(s), Animals Crossing, Kid Icarus... all those and others were known ages before they were released. 3DS owners hyped those kind of games, not Hatsune Miku.

Games take time to release. A lot! Vita now have to go through the announcement phase, then the whole long waiting phase, then just after that... release time and actual sales. This is something they should have done better. Right now should have been around the ending of the waiting phase for big games, not the "desperately in need of announcements" phase.

have you been paying attention to anything Vita related in the past few weeks? the console is not in the "desperately in need of announcements phase" it has a ton of great games annunced



the_dengle said:
logic56 said:

yeah in that time did the Vita exist? and was it also dirt cheap and heavily bundled?

unbelieveably narrow point of views...... chartz lol

Pointing out that customers are choosing the 3DS over the Vita does not show that the Vita's sales are better than people are making them out to be. In fact, it does the opposite.

The 3DS was selling much better in Japan before its price cut than the Vita has been selling at the same price, and editorials were constantly exclaiming that the 3DS was in a lot of trouble because of those sales. The "why" isn't very important; the fact is that the Vita is selling terribly even in comparison to a console that was selling poorly, and it's Sony's responsibility to fix that. If the Vita continues to sell terribly, it means Sony is doing a terrible job of selling their product and they deserve to be criticized.

^ @VicViper, I don't really care what the Vita has or why it's selling poorly, I'm just saying that although this was one of its best weeks in HW sales, it was still a poor performance, as most of the Vita's weeks have been. We shouldn't give Sony a pat on the back just for making it to 25k. We should get in their face and yell at them to try harder.

the why is the core of every debate, to ignore it is to accept being willfully ignorant on the subject

and no you should only criticize Sony if the console fails to do what it was meant to do, and it not, it's actually excelling at it as far as I'm concerned just priced out of most of it's markets reach which is easily remedy with the only factor being time, so that's what I say, give it time and until then enjoy or the greatest handheld games/ experiences ever made on the greatest handheld gaming console ever made...or don't

not everything needs to be the market leader to be a great success, you'd think after this gen more than ever people would realize that