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Aielyn said:
oniyide said:
the vast majority of people are not that into gaming that they would buy a console at LAUNCH anyway. Its like your picking and choosing your own conclusions to suit your stance but they dont make sense.

I dont know where your getting internet people from cause i said no such thing. Normal people are less likely to buy a console at launch for one game, especially if that game will be on 4 different systems.

You believe that those 100,000 people are waiting for WIi U version. I think thats absurd. First off preorders are a terrible to go by anyway. 2nd the more likely scenario is those 100,000 people just got bored with the series, period. And you never answered my query about how much of these people will jump ship to WIi U for the game. If you are so sure they will, where are your numbers?

The vast majority of people are not that into gaming that they would preorder a game four months before release anyway. We're talking about the portion that would do so - and that portion is more likely to buy a console at launch.

I use internet people as a comparative thing, because most people in these forum discussions draw conclusions about the market as a whole based on reactions on the internet - most people are not like those in these forum discussions.

I've been pretty clear from the beginning that I'm not saying they WILL go with the Wii U version. I said they're waiting to see the Wii U version before deciding which version to get. And while it's possible that those people got bored with the series, we don't yet have conclusive evidence of this, so I'm offering an alternative possibility - something that distinguishes Black Ops 2 from previous CoD titles.

And we're discussing preorders - that's the entire topic of the thread. So "going by preorders" isn't what we're doing - indeed, if you look back at what I've said in this thread, you'll see that I haven't once actually put forward a suggestion as to how well Black Ops 2 will do on the Wii U. That's because it's irrelevant to the discussion - what matters is the question of "why are preorders for Black Ops 2 apparently lower than they were for Modern Warfare 3". The OP offered that it's because MW3 was the peak, and BO2 won't sell as well. I offered an alternative possibility that people aren't preordering yet because they want more information first.

How many will "jump ship" for the Wii U version? I don't know. In terms of preorders, I'd imagine that we'll probably see total preorders across all three systems being somewhere around the MW3 preorders for PS3/360 - a bit higher if my offered possibility is accurate, a bit lower if not. The amount that "jump ship" will depend on how good the Wii U version looks once they show it off (which is meant to happen in August, as I understand it). Depending on what it looks like, I could see anywhere between a couple of hundred thousand to a few million, including those jumping ship, but not getting it at launch.

If the Wii U version is even slightly better than the PS3/360 versions (say, by being equal in visuals, etc, except for having a map function on the Upad and having Wiimote pointing functionality), then I see the Wii U version maybe managing 2-3 million... perhaps 4 million if it compares well against alternatives on the Wii U at and near launch. Of those, I'd expect somewhere around maybe 500,000 being those who switched from PS3/360, who likely would have bought a Wii U anyway. If the Wii U version somehow blows the other two away (unlikely), I could definitely see upwards of 8 million, of which a few million would be switchovers from PS3/360. As I noted, though, that's unlikely - the former is the more likely case, and my official prediction is 3.5 million by the end of 2013. I assume that's what you were asking for?

No they wouldnt at least not for the sole purspose of playing COD, which is my point. Its not about whether they would buy Wii U or not, but if they are buying it for the sole purpose of play ing COD.

@2nd paragraph. Fair enough, i think you're wrong. I think what was stated in the OP ( and by many others) about it peaking is far more likely and makse much more sense. IMHO your argument is just coming from a place of Ninty bias. Just saying.

No way in hell that the WIi U preorders would match those of the PS360 versions. Even if it started in August that would put it months behind PS360. Unless you believe that that much people will be buying a Wii U at launch and yes at launch because the game will be debutig in the launch window for Wii U.

As for your numbers, again I think you're wrong. COD3 on Wii sold 2.15 mil lifetime and that was on a system that was insanely popular. But hell it could be possible.



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oniyide said:
No they wouldnt at least not for the sole purspose of playing COD, which is my point. Its not about whether they would buy Wii U or not, but if they are buying it for the sole purpose of play ing COD.

@2nd paragraph. Fair enough, i think you're wrong. I think what was stated in the OP ( and by many others) about it peaking is far more likely and makse much more sense. IMHO your argument is just coming from a place of Ninty bias. Just saying.

No way in hell that the WIi U preorders would match those of the PS360 versions. Even if it started in August that would put it months behind PS360. Unless you believe that that much people will be buying a Wii U at launch and yes at launch because the game will be debutig in the launch window for Wii U.

As for your numbers, again I think you're wrong. COD3 on Wii sold 2.15 mil lifetime and that was on a system that was insanely popular. But hell it could be possible.

As I pointed out, this thread is about the number of preorders right now. So those who wouldn't preorder a game 4 months prior to release aren't really relevant to the discussion.

There's no "Ninty bias" - I'm looking at the situation from the perspective of a person who just wants the best version of the game, for whatever system its on (not that that describes me, but I'm intentionally invoking that perspective). People who might buy a Wii U at or near launch, and who like the CoD games, are fairly likely to want to see what the Wii U version will be like before making a preorder. The result might be that they'd prefer to stick with the system they've already got - I make no judgment on that particular part of the question, because I haven't seen what the game will be like.

I never claimed that Wii U preorders would match those of the "PS360 versions". If you look, all I said was that the difference between preorders at this time last year and current preorders may be due to the possibility of the Wii U version being worth getting. I gave an example of that - in a supposed case in which MW3 got 1 million preorders at this point, and BO2 is currently at 900,000, the extra 100,000 might be waiting to see the Wii U version, first. That's 100,000 vs presumably 450,000 for each of the other two systems. Also, nothing says that a person has to buy it at launch just because that's when it releases (but that's just an aside).

CoD3 sold 2.15 million on Wii, yes... but then, CoD3's best-selling number was 2.59 million on Xbox 360. That was prior to CoD-fever that was sparked by Modern Warfare (you know, the one that the Wii didn't get until two years later, and gimped?). And then the Wii CoD titles were a pale shadow of their 360/PS3 versions in terms of content and graphics (note that I hold no grudge on that point - indeed, I respect Treyarch for doing what they could - they clearly respected the Wii audience in a way that most developers didn't). If you want a reasonable comparison of possible numbers, consider that the Wii version of CoD3 easily outsold the PS3 version (at 1.35 million). So the CoD3 total fanbase was about 6.1 million then... now, MW3 has sold 26.64 million copies (note: I'm not including PC numbers in this). It isn't hard to believe that anywhere between 2 million and 8 million copies could go to a Wii U version - indeed, I'm sure there will be plenty of people like me, who suck at dual analog, and will love the chance for a "HD" CoD played in the Wii style (plus the potential added benefits of the Upad's screen), so it's possible that total Black Ops 2 sales across the three platforms will be bigger, even if the interest of those who were into the PS3/360 ones is starting to wane (note: I'm talking about those who wouldn't buy any version of BO2, not those who would switch to Wii U). We just don't know, yet.



Aielyn said:
As I pointed out, this thread is about the number of preorders right now. So those who wouldn't preorder a game 4 months prior to release aren't really relevant to the discussion.

There's no "Ninty bias" - I'm looking at the situation from the perspective of a person who just wants the best version of the game, for whatever system its on (not that that describes me, but I'm intentionally invoking that perspective). People who might buy a Wii U at or near launch, and who like the CoD games, are fairly likely to want to see what the Wii U version will be like before making a preorder. The result might be that they'd prefer to stick with the system they've already got - I make no judgment on that particular part of the question, because I haven't seen what the game will be like.

I never claimed that Wii U preorders would match those of the "PS360 versions". If you look, all I said was that the difference between preorders at this time last year and current preorders may be due to the possibility of the Wii U version being worth getting. I gave an example of that - in a supposed case in which MW3 got 1 million preorders at this point, and BO2 is currently at 900,000, the extra 100,000 might be waiting to see the Wii U version, first. That's 100,000 vs presumably 450,000 for each of the other two systems. Also, nothing says that a person has to buy it at launch just because that's when it releases (but that's just an aside).

CoD3 sold 2.15 million on Wii, yes... but then, CoD3's best-selling number was 2.59 million on Xbox 360. That was prior to CoD-fever that was sparked by Modern Warfare (you know, the one that the Wii didn't get until two years later, and gimped?). And then the Wii CoD titles were a pale shadow of their 360/PS3 versions in terms of content and graphics (note that I hold no grudge on that point - indeed, I respect Treyarch for doing what they could - they clearly respected the Wii audience in a way that most developers didn't). If you want a reasonable comparison of possible numbers, consider that the Wii version of CoD3 easily outsold the PS3 version (at 1.35 million). So the CoD3 total fanbase was about 6.1 million then... now, MW3 has sold 26.64 million copies (note: I'm not including PC numbers in this). It isn't hard to believe that anywhere between 2 million and 8 million copies could go to a Wii U version - indeed, I'm sure there will be plenty of people like me, who suck at dual analog, and will love the chance for a "HD" CoD played in the Wii style (plus the potential added benefits of the Upad's screen), so it's possible that total Black Ops 2 sales across the three platforms will be bigger, even if the interest of those who were into the PS3/360 ones is starting to wane (note: I'm talking about those who wouldn't buy any version of BO2, not those who would switch to Wii U). We just don't know, yet.


I think a huge point you're missing the that COD has become a huge social game.

So, going by your earlier logic, if 100,000 less people have preorder BLOP2 it's probably because they're (PROBABLY)  holding out for the Wii U version, correct?

So now one 1 out of 10 people are switching consoles to play Cod, while 9 out of 10 are sticking with their ps3 or 360.

This is why I believe Cod on Xbox and Ps3 will still outsell Wii U. People play Cod and play with their friends. Sure maybe a few people in your circle of friends an afford a Wii U right away but are they gonna buy a game to play with 2 of their friends or get it for a system they can play with 10+ friends?

But at the same time, I can see their being an appeal to the Wii Pad. I just don't think it's big enough to steal the ps360 fanbase



One think I noticed about MW3 is that my friends and others I knew were buying it because "everyone else was getting it". And they had to buy it to keep playing with them. It seems like people can't deal with the fact that they cannot play online with friends. I don't know why a group of friends cannot just agree to keep playing the old COD.

Maybe its just me hating COD, but each game has pretty much the same idea.



hollabackenny said:
I think a huge point you're missing the that COD has become a huge social game.

So, going by your earlier logic, if 100,000 less people have preorder BLOP2 it's probably because they're (PROBABLY)  holding out for the Wii U version, correct?

So now one 1 out of 10 people are switching consoles to play Cod, while 9 out of 10 are sticking with their ps3 or 360.

This is why I believe Cod on Xbox and Ps3 will still outsell Wii U. People play Cod and play with their friends. Sure maybe a few people in your circle of friends an afford a Wii U right away but are they gonna buy a game to play with 2 of their friends or get it for a system they can play with 10+ friends?

But at the same time, I can see their being an appeal to the Wii Pad. I just don't think it's big enough to steal the ps360 fanbase

Preorders 4 months before release are not indicative of the sales patterns between the consoles. Those who preorder this early are either technophiles or very active gamers (basically, people who spend a lot of time on the internet talking about games). The majority of people who will buy the game will do so without a preorder, and the vast majority will not have a preorder this early.

To give you a stronger sense of my point, consider that MW3, in the week before release in the US, had 2.447 million preorders on Xbox 360 and 1.166 million preorders on PS3. First-week sales on 360 was 4.275 million, and on PS3 it was 2.293 million. The games have now sold 8.8 million and 5.2 million, respectively (Americas sales). Most of all, though, preorders at this point last year were 410,000 and 194,000, respectively. Let me put that into stronger perspective - less than 20% of all preorders on each system were made this early, and less than 5% of total sales on each system.

And I don't think that the Wii U is going to steal massive numbers from 360 or PS3. I think it's more likely to capture people who otherwise wouldn't have owned their own copy of the game, and a smaller portion of 360 and PS3 owners will make the switch (assuming the Wii U version is good enough), with a large proportion of those being amongst those that preorder this early (the technophiles, who are likely to get a Wii U anyway).

It is possible for the Wii U version to do more than this, but it requires the game to be exceptional - it needs to have features and factors that make it clearly and undoubtedly the definitive version. And even in that situation, I still only expect maybe 8 million for the Wii U version, compared with 26 million that bought MW3. Let me reemphasise this by pointing out that, even if all 8 million would otherwise have bought the 360 or PS3 versions, that would still be only around 30% of those that would have bought one of the other versions switching to Wii U.



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won't happen.



personally I think it will be the exact opposite....I think Halo will have it biggest week ever, but drop like a rock once CoD: Blops 2 comes out.