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In high school/early college I was socially moderate with far right economics.

In mid-college, upon meeting people of all walks of life and seeing some of the failures of corporations and great social injustice around the world, I became more socially liberal and a bit of a centrist on economics.

Upon graduating college and reading more into the shady things corporations were doing in the financial sector and so on, as well as realizing the dangers of privatized, for-profit companies providing necessary services (hello, U.S. healthcare!), I began to become more of a socialist.  However, I only think those aforementioned necessary services should be socialized.  For luxury goods, free market economics works excellently to spur variety among products, leading to every niche being filled, with popular products surviving and unpopular products disappearing from the market.

I'd probably prefer if the U.S. became more like the social democracies of the Nordic countries, with a number of changes taking place:

  • Dramatically improved our election process.  Replace First Past the Post with something better, get rid of the electoral college, which causes politicians to give swing states special attention, and so on.  Make our government more representative of the people's wishes, and held more directly accountable to the general population.
  • Complete transparency in government, to further hold government accountable to the people.  If not, at leat we have Wikileaks now.
  • Make capital gains and inheritance taxes progressive like income tax, and add a new bracket to income tax, beginning at $1.5 million.  Have the top capital gains bracket taxed at 50%, and tax the top income/inheritance tax brackets taxed at 90%.  Get rid of all deducations and tax breaks save for a tiny handful.
  • Implement single-payer healthcare, by expanding Medicare to all and getting rid of deductables and copays.
  • Implement a similar system of payment for post-secondary education, to improve our society's well-being and decrease social inequality.
  • Maybe nationalize energy production.
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For all the anarcho-capitalists, libertarians, and so on, how do you expect us to handle the transition into a world in which labor has been made mostly redundant, if not completely unnecessary through advances in robotics and other technologies if government is virtually powerless?


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makingmusic476 said:

 

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For all the anarcho-capitalists, libertarians, and so on, how do you expect us to handle the transition into a world in which labor has been made mostly redundant if not completely unnecessary through advances in robotics and other technologies if government is virtually powerless?

 

I, for one, will welcome our robotic overlords.

To be serious, though, we are already seeing a trend towards service economies in the developed world; more and more jobs require college degrees and other advanced training. Factory jobs and farming will of course be the first to go to automation. They are already there, for the most part. The real problem arises when the robots gain the ability to think independently and can conceivably work as doctors, lawyers, teachers and researchers. That will be one of the great challenges we face in the future, but I don't see how a larger government would help with that at all.



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I still continue to flip-flop. This all changed throughout college, and still continues in grad school.

Conservative -> Moderate (leaning right) -> Liberal -> Very Liberal -> Moderate (leaning left) Independent, lol.



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Kantor said:
makingmusic476 said:

 

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For all the anarcho-capitalists, libertarians, and so on, how do you expect us to handle the transition into a world in which labor has been made mostly redundant if not completely unnecessary through advances in robotics and other technologies if government is virtually powerless?

 

I, for one, will welcome our robotic overlords.

To be serious, though, we are already seeing a trend towards service economies in the developed world; more and more jobs require college degrees and other advanced training. Factory jobs and farming will of course be the first to go to automation. They are already there, for the most part. The real problem arises when the robots gain the ability to think independently and can conceivably work as doctors, lawyers, teachers and researchers. That will be one of the great challenges we face in the future, but I don't see how a larger government would help with that at all.

The challenge of a service economy is that there are plenty of people who aren't able to gain the skills necessary for such work, and in many cases (at least around here), gaining the skills for such work can be an outright pain in the ass if you don't have the money or connections to do so.  Furthermore, society only needs so many doctors, lawyers, and so on.  Even now, the lawyer market is quite oversaturated, from what I understand, and nursing has quickly become one of the most popular areas of study in college, so I can't see there being much room left in that field for long.  Then there's budget cuts that are leading to teacher lay-offs in many states here in the U.S.

As for the role of government, they'd be crucial in ensuring that the owners of production are making sure everyone gets some - at least enough to live reasonably.  At that point I'd probably recommending the nationalization of most production, thus ownership transitiong to the general populace.

It seems silly to me that we could conceivably reach a point where on the whole we are richer than ever, practically reaching post scarcity, but a majority of the population will be dirt poor simply because they are unneeded by the capitalists.  



What occurs as we gain more prosperity and things that used to be jobs no longer become jobs is that the labor transfers over to things that nobody thought could be jobs. Think of personal shoppers. Did they exist even 20 years ago in any significant capacity? And although "make money on the internet" has always been very elusive for many since the advent of the internet, it is still the case that more people are making money doing things like blogging. Could GoNintendo's RawMeatCowboy have made a living like that twenty years ago?

The problem, of course, is that it doesn't go 1:1 for old job opportunities lost versus new opportunities created, because lost jobs necessarily depresses the economy and slows the ability for new jobs to appear.



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Mr Khan said:
What occurs as we gain more prosperity and things that used to be jobs no longer become jobs is that the labor transfers over to things that nobody thought could be jobs. Think of personal shoppers. Did they exist even 20 years ago in any significant capacity? And although "make money on the internet" has always been very elusive for many since the advent of the internet, it is still the case that more people are making money doing things like blogging. Could GoNintendo's RawMeatCowboy have made a living like that twenty years ago?

The problem, of course, is that it doesn't go 1:1 for old job opportunities lost versus new opportunities created, because lost jobs necessarily depresses the economy and slows the ability for new jobs to appear.


But the area of jobs that are able to be completed by humans but are not able to be completed by robots will likely only decrease over time, as AI advances and robots become more and more human like.

Only robots probably won't care about paychecks, hours, and working conditions.



I'm a social democrat, I've always leaned that and my views are essentially just getting a bit more refined with time.

I believe in a government which provides for its citizens using revenue raised by high taxes and state owned companies. I also believe that while there should be a relatively free market for most things (though some markets should have a virtual monopoly by the state) the government should have a large hand in regulation to reign in the excesses of the free market. Essentially I'm a believer in big government.

I also believe strongly that a first past the post system is inadequate for a democracy and at least some proportional representation is needed - otherwise the voices not belonging to a major group are entirely ignored.



When Robots take over the production of the world, people who can't work will simply be given what they need by whoever simply to make sure they don't angry that robots have replaced all the jobs. Regulr working clothes will become "in fasion" and the poor instead will mostly be offered flashy high fashioned stuff.

Then they will secretly be trained to settle distant planets through means of a "game" that will be one of the few escapes from their boring, everything fulfilled lives... then they will be set off into space to colonize other planets with a small amount of resources.



Individually I'm right of centre, socially I'm left of centre. I've always been that way.



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