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Forums - General - The Logical Flaw of Religious Practicing

Note: This topic basically only concerns the Abrahamic religions, in which an almighty god is involved.

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Every single day, billions of people practice their religious faith in one way or another. Most of these practices tend to be unharmful but, as reality shows, that is not always the case. Some people pray, some people go to church, some people avoid certain food, some people avoid birth control, some people circumcise their children and so on. What they all have in common is that they adjust their own lifestyles in order to satisfy the religious group that they belong to, which in turn they do to please God.

What they probably have not done though is to question the logic behind their practicing. If you, for instance, asked them why they do it, then the most common answer would probably be something like: "Because God told us to do it. God is almighty, so there is no reason to why we would listen to anyone but Him." However, the logical flaw has already been revealed at this point: God never told them to do anything. It was their ancestors, family or friends who introduced them to their current faith shortly after they were born. Or they discovered their faith later on in life due to an unpredicted outside source.

Let's try to break this down for a bit. Let's say that all who had faith died for whatever reason and that all Bibles and other signs of religion where destroyed (Historically, similar things have already happened, so it is actually not a completely unrealistic scenario). This would leave no reason for upcoming generations to have any faith in any of today's religions. Instead, they would either be atheist or make up their own religions, which in turn is passed down to the next generations. But what happens to the Abrahamic God at that point, assuming that He indeed does exist? I mean, He would still judge people by their actions, am I right?

At this point, all that matters is if people are good or not. Religious practice does no longer exist, but God still recognize all people for their good actions. And this can already be applied to people today who are born outside of Christian, Muslim or Jewish societies. If the religious practice indeed did matter, then that would either:

A) give an unjust advantage to people who are born in Christian, Muslim or Jewish societies (depending on your faith) or

B) make religious practice necessary only to those who are exposed to it. Making it an actual burdon, as in: "You know how I want people to live, now go tell those who don't or you will be punished, and they will be forgiven because of your unwillingness to act.", giving the non-believers an actual reason not to believe......

 

Conclusions: Religious practice is simply an unfair system. And just like asking God for help, it gives you nothing but self-pleasure; an illusion that God is extra close to you since you are reaching out to Him. In reality though, it is actually nothing but selfish actions made in order to make it more likely that you will enter heaven, as if those who do not perform these action are less likely to do so. They think that those who trust a god other than God are committing a severe sin, despite the fact that they really do not even have the possibility to do otherwise.

 

That, my friends, makes no sense.



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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

But what happens to the Abrahamic God at that point, assuming that He indeed does exist? I mean, He would still judge people by their actions, am I right?

Well, assuming that He does exist and He is God, then I guess He can once again reveal Himself and His Truth to mankind just as He is supposed to have done in the first place, right?

But despite what you seem to believe, the Abrahamic faiths don't have some uniform belief that you have to be a believer in this or that particular religion or else you're going to Hell, that's it, game over. Some believe, for example, that God will in the future reveal Himself to everyone who has ever lived, and that people who have lived and died without even hearing about Almighty God aren't to blame since you can only be judged according to what you know. That doesn't mean that you as a believer are worshiping in vain in the here and now, though, because if you do know The Truth, it's incumbent upon you to act accordingly.



You doing a thesis on religious studies? or just got some unresolved issues?



why do people hate god, I would do anything for him, if he showed himself to me



badgenome said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

But what happens to the Abrahamic God at that point, assuming that He indeed does exist? I mean, He would still judge people by their actions, am I right?

 

But despite what you seem to believe, the Abrahamic faiths don't have some uniform belief that you have to be a believer in this or that particular religion or else you're going to Hell, that's it, game over. Some believe, for example, that God will in the future reveal Himself to everyone who has ever lived, and that people who have lived and died without even hearing about Almighty God aren't to blame since you can only be judged according to what you know. That doesn't mean that you as a believer are worshiping in vain in the here and now, though, because if you do know The Truth, it's incumbent upon you to act accordingly.


Which brings us to point B) Religious practice is a burden.

Using that logic, not exposing anyone to religious practice would be the best course of action. Simply teaching them to be good to others should be enough.



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Turkish said:
why do people hate god, I would do anything for him, if he showed himself to me


I don't hate God, or the thought of a god. But I don't like some of the actions occuring because of religious practicing.



I know one thing. This really makes me think.



JazzyJeez said:
You doing a thesis on religious studies? or just got some unresolved issues?


Well, it's just some thoughts going through my mind. No studies involved.



So you invented atheism/agnosticism?

Or did you, by chance, happen to hear about it from someone else?



"I feel like I could take on the whole Empire myself."

PDF said:

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:  And just like asking God for help, it gives you nothing but self-pleasure; an illusion that God is extra close to you since you are reaching out to Him. 

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That is a opinion you are passing on as fact.  You state it assuming God does not exist.  It is an unfair and bias statement, if you are looking for a real discussion you should avoid remarks like that.

As for your hypothetical situation, If God is real as i do beleive, he still speaks today.  All it takes is someone willing to listen and the faith would be reborn.  I come to this belief that he still speaks today through personal experience and not being told by someone that he does.  I do beleive some practices are silly, and are likely due to human error in trying to read into what the almighty wants.

Your arguments states that God is picking winners and losers based on where we are born, that is something that is a troubling question.  My answer is that he isn't picking the winners and losers, we are.  As humans with free will, we decide what we beleive and what our children will be raised to beleive. 


Wrong. I didn't assume that He doesn't exist, and it's not an opinion, it's a conclusion based on what is written in the OP. It wouldn't make sense for God to be extra close to you just because you were born in a religious society.

Edit: As for the italics. Most of the silly practices today are actually the result of literal reading from the Bible/Gods words. By avoiding some of God's words, several "silly" practices are not practiced anymore.