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wfz on 13 June 2012
M.U.G.E.N said:


see I disagree with the two points you made

1. the WiiU is coming out in a few months.. the other two aren't. We still don't even know when they are coming out but I doubt we will see them at least until end of '13 or maybe early '14. Sony already has a solid line up for next year (at least until the fall season). Mere months won't change the situation for Nintendo. The competition will change or adapt (IF needed). That's an issue Nintendo will face no matter what since they are going first into next gen and especially since the other two doesn't seem to be in a hurry to do so. And let's be honest here, hardware wise, I'm sure both sony and ms have a good idea of what WiiU is capable of by now. (I'm referring to power etc here, not software or applications)

2. this brings us to features. These are the things the competition will keep an eye on the most (outside of things like price). But again, for a first party dev team, implimenting such ideas into their games or apps really won't take more than a few months. Again just keeping this secret for like a month or two is not going to make a difference. TBH feature wise I actually expect nintendo to take ideas from sony and MS, especially when it comes to their onlline. 

hmm as for BO2, I'm certain activision has a deal with MS for exclusive marketing. It seemed that they renewed their DLC contract with them so I really wouldn't be surprised if they do the same for marketing like previous years. If I had to guess, outside of COD, GTA will make the biggest splash so maybe we will hear some sort of a deal there. Ninty does have a good chunk of money on them right? A deal with R* could go a long long way

I also wouldn't be surprised to see a teaser for a game like Zelda or Smash bros. to hype the crowd up. I really don't know how much they can do with their Nintendo Network to set themselves apart, and especially above, the competition. 


When I mentioned holding back details on software, I meant holding them back for a number of months (more than 2), and more importantly, holding details back until the game is ~6 months before release. That's what Nintendo has historically been known for with some of their higher-profile games, and it's likely they're just keeping up that status quo. Nintendo could very well be doing this for reasons other than preventing competition from copying ideas (which you also mentioned in your first post). I think one of the biggest reasons is the fact that many games change drastically during the course of development, and they want fans to hear about the game and get the right expectations for it leading up to release (which is exactly where Twilight Princess failed - we knew about that game years before it was released and it went through a huge transformation, extremely disappointing certain fans such as myself).



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Pavolink on 13 June 2012
M.U.G.E.N said:
Funny thing is people actually believe this PR nonsense from Nintendo smh. I swear their PR reminds me of an Apple commercial.

There's nothing unbelieveable in the PR. As any other company they want to be the most succesful on a brand ie Sony in gaming/hardware during PS1/PS2 era, Microsoft with the online area (XboxLive) and Nintendo with motion controls.

Difference is, that Nintendo bases their goals  lately being "creative" or "unique". If those 2 features are no longer at their side it will be bad. You won't buy a Nintendo console for the best online or best graphics, but because "creative" and/or "unique" gameplay ideas, that, if are replicate on other hardware they'll be at a difficult position.

You can expect some people interested more on SmartGlass than Wii U, which is a concern for them. But if they show those 2 before mentioned features at their games, maybe those people would consider at some time to give a chance.

Since last year they have been saying the same, and untill now, they continue being very secretive. Last year showed Wii U because of leaks and now we have a tablet from Microsoft. (Not saying Microsoft just copied the Wii U or will never release their own application or iPad never existed or Nintendo is the first or the overlord on innovation).



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PSwii60 on 13 June 2012

For all we know Miyamoto has been spilling the beans all this time, but his translator was paid to make some random news up.

Nintendo: When he says Zelda, just say no redesign for 3DS! That'll rile some journalists, analysts and gamers up! When he says Star Fox is in the making, just say he loves to visit museums!



M.U.G.E.N on 13 June 2012
wfz said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
 


see I disagree with the two points you made

1. the WiiU is coming out in a few months.. the other two aren't. We still don't even know when they are coming out but I doubt we will see them at least until end of '13 or maybe early '14. Sony already has a solid line up for next year (at least until the fall season). Mere months won't change the situation for Nintendo. The competition will change or adapt (IF needed). That's an issue Nintendo will face no matter what since they are going first into next gen and especially since the other two doesn't seem to be in a hurry to do so. And let's be honest here, hardware wise, I'm sure both sony and ms have a good idea of what WiiU is capable of by now. (I'm referring to power etc here, not software or applications)

2. this brings us to features. These are the things the competition will keep an eye on the most (outside of things like price). But again, for a first party dev team, implimenting such ideas into their games or apps really won't take more than a few months. Again just keeping this secret for like a month or two is not going to make a difference. TBH feature wise I actually expect nintendo to take ideas from sony and MS, especially when it comes to their onlline. 

hmm as for BO2, I'm certain activision has a deal with MS for exclusive marketing. It seemed that they renewed their DLC contract with them so I really wouldn't be surprised if they do the same for marketing like previous years. If I had to guess, outside of COD, GTA will make the biggest splash so maybe we will hear some sort of a deal there. Ninty does have a good chunk of money on them right? A deal with R* could go a long long way

I also wouldn't be surprised to see a teaser for a game like Zelda or Smash bros. to hype the crowd up. I really don't know how much they can do with their Nintendo Network to set themselves apart, and especially above, the competition. 


When I mentioned holding back details on software, I meant holding them back for a number of months (more than 2), and more importantly, holding details back until the game is ~6 months before release. That's what Nintendo has historically been known for with some of their higher-profile games, and it's likely they're just keeping up that status quo. Nintendo could very well be doing this for reasons other than preventing competition from copying ideas (which you also mentioned in your first post). I think one of the biggest reasons is the fact that many games change drastically during the course of development, and they want fans to hear about the game and get the right expectations for it leading up to release (which is exactly where Twilight Princess failed - we knew about that game years before it was released and it went through a huge transformation, extremely disappointing certain fans such as myself).


But haven't they already confirmed development for a zelda and a smash bros? But then again we know next to nothing about them so your point still stands. But I agree, especially with launching a system, the bigger the omg moment, it should be closest to the launch date. Much more hype that way and creates good word of mouth. 

I think that really is the only reason and not what this PR is claiming about. No way in hell that the competition can't mimic anything they do software features or app wise be immitated with a year or so to go till their consoles launch. 

@pavolink: I already went through the whole thing and explained my reasoning to wfz. Give it a read. And nope last year we knew they were making a new console and the way they dropped off their software support for wii made the rumor even more credible. The specs and such only leaked like a week or so before the E3 presentation. They definitely didn't reveal it due to 'leaks'. They just wanted to be the first one to come out with a system. Which was a stupid move by them, they should have kept supporting the wii and come out this year's E3 with all the info. Would have had a much bigger impact



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Pavolink on 13 June 2012
M.U.G.E.N said:

@pavolink: I already went through the whole thing and explained my reasoning to wfz. Give it a read. And nope last year we knew they were making a new console and the way they dropped off their software support for wii made the rumor even more credible.

 

The specs and such only leaked like a week or so before the E3 presentation. They definitely didn't reveal it due to 'leaks'. They just wanted to be the first one to come out with a system. Which was a stupid move by them, they should have kept supporting the wii and come out this year's E3 with all the info. Would have had a much bigger impact


No and no.

We have the same thread like a year ago about being secretive and not releasing details about software, online and hardware features and capabilities even to shareholders, asking them to wait, just like third parties approach and partnerships.

And the "leaks"I'm reffering are not about the unreleased specs you are talking about, but some details like the touchscreen even before the Annual Meeting in April when they have to announce the console officially. Nintendo STREAM (from console to screen on controller) name by fans was way before the week before E3 last year.



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M.U.G.E.N on 13 June 2012
Pavolink said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

@pavolink: I already went through the whole thing and explained my reasoning to wfz. Give it a read. And nope last year we knew they were making a new console and the way they dropped off their software support for wii made the rumor even more credible.

 

The specs and such only leaked like a week or so before the E3 presentation. They definitely didn't reveal it due to 'leaks'. They just wanted to be the first one to come out with a system. Which was a stupid move by them, they should have kept supporting the wii and come out this year's E3 with all the info. Would have had a much bigger impact


No and no.

We have the same thread like a year ago about being secretive and not releasing details about software, online and hardware features and capabilities even to shareholders, asking them to wait, just like third parties approach and partnerships.

And the "leaks"I'm reffering are not about the unreleased specs you are talking about, but some details like the touchscreen even before the Annual Meeting in April when they have to announce the console officially. Nintendo STREAM (from console to screen on controller) name by fans was way before the week before E3 last year.


ughh that's a weird way to see things isn't it? We have some 'leaked' info on the dev kits for the next PS and Xbox too. Doesn't mean they will hurry and reveal to shut up the masses. Don't kid yourself. They did it so they are the first to do so. if they actually revealed the wiiu last year cuz of some 'rumors' and 'leaks' then they are real real stupid. But I give them more credit than that. And it was that french site that leaked the best and most accurate info on the wiiu iirc. Before that it was the same situation that we are in as now with the PS4/Xbox720. Bunch of leaked early dev kit info, rumors etc. 



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ReactiveActive on 13 June 2012

zelda had many ripoffs

 

Dark Cloud on the PlayStation 2, let's see Sony/Level-5 says they didn't clone Zelda with that game.



 

freebs2 on 13 June 2012

It seems BS to me. They just want to show their cards when MS and Sony will announce Ps4 and Xbox3.



endimion on 14 June 2012
Soleron said:
endimion said:
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Come on people, be real for a second: fitness for casual gamers was something a 6th grader with cerebral palsy could have found out. The same for dance games too. After all the market for fitness DVDs is booming, gimmicks for sport enthusiasts outside the gym are popping up everywhere, and nike+ and apple have been all over that crap for a decade or even more. Zumba dance classes  popped up before motion fitness and dance games went mainstream; salsa dance gym class was famous 15 years ago. Something aimed at casual that was not jumping on that would have just been a beginner's failure, not a great idea nobody thought of.

come on people be real for a second..... fitness for casual was something a 6 grader with cerebral polsy could have found out dance games too..... after all the market of fitness DVDs is booming gimmicks for sport enthousiast outside the gym are popping everywhere nike+ and apple have been all over that crap for a decade even more..... zuba dance classes have poped up before motion fitness dance game went main stream.... salsa dance gym class were famous 15 years ago.... so something aimed at casual not jumping on that would have just been a beginers failure..... not a great idea nobody thought off....

Compare. Fixed spelling, grammar, removed all ellipses (that is not how sentences work), and added linking words so it reads smoothly.

thank you then again english is not my language and I'll admit I do not use spell check for a couple reasons. First the spell check works when it wants for some reason, works fine in quick reply though... and second I post when ever I have some time between other stuff.... so yeah I plead guilty of not paying too much attention and not proof reading my posts.... my appologies... but thanks I appreciate... I can learn from it... 



NintendoPie on 14 June 2012

That has to be the worst reason ever. They should announce something. Something that we can look forward to after we are done with our Pikmin 3 and NSMBU.