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sales2099 on 08 November 2012
Andrespetmonkey said:
sales2099 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
sales2099 said:
I lol at people thinking Sony is going to go the cheap route. Sure its the smart thing to do. But seeing the Vita specs its obvious Sony has no plans to change their business strategy: highest cost and highest end.

PS4 will be $499, for better or for worse.

The PSV is not "The highest cost and Highest end". It's not that expensive - the 3DS is especially cheap. The tech is relatively high end, but it definitely doesn't take a large loss. The PSV doesn't cost an extravagant amount like the PS3 did... it doesn't even compare. In fact, the PS3 is an outlier in Sony's history of games console pricing. Sony can't afford to take PS3 scale losses, and all the rumours indicate a sensibly powered console (off the shelf parts, like the PSV) at a sensible price (latest rumour). 

So, what are you basing this off?

And who are you lolling at? Who is saying they're going the cheap route? 

I know I'm stalking you today... I swear it's just coincidence. 

For a dedicated handheld, it is highest cost and high end......since it is actually the highest priced gaming handheld on the market. 3DS is priced appropriately and yes im gonna say it.....cell phones are becoming the place for on the go gaming. Cell phones can be anywhere from $0- $150 for 3 year contracts.

Do the PS4 rumors say the specs are better then the 720 rumored specs?

Relative to the 3DS is it expensive, but the 3DS is a very cheap piece of technology. Now, I'm guessing you're thinking at this point that it should always be discussed/assessed etc. in relation to the 3DS because that's it's only direct competitor. And you would sort of be right when strictly comparing the two, but you weren't strictly comparing the two, you were saying the costs associated with the PSV are indicative of the PS4 being expensive.

Translating that Vita hardware strategy into PS4's strategy gets you a powerful home console, though not extravagently so, that uses cheap components (compared to something like the PS3), and it takes a loss, but not a big one... similar to the PS2 or Xbox 360. And remember, the Wii U, like the 3DS will likely be cheap in comparison, but the next Xbox won't.

So when you say the PSV is evidence of Sony's strategy still being "highest cost and highest end" , you're wrong in the context of handhelds, and extra wrong in the context of PS4 and it's competitors. 

Do the PS4 rumors say the specs are better then the 720 rumored specs? No.


Wonder how all the graphics happy PS3 fans are gonna spin this one (im looking at the guys who drool at Uncharted 3 desert landscapes)



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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walsufnir on 08 November 2012
VGKing said:
With PS4 there is no way Sony will price it at $499(even the premium model). Sony will price the PS4 at a competitive price. They wilil manufacture a $500 system and sell it at $400. The technology in the console is "off-the shelf" so the console itself would be profitable within 2 years.


let me guess: and you also think that sony will only lose $100 with every unit sold? ;)



VGKing on 08 November 2012
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
sales2099 said:
I lol at people thinking Sony is going to go the cheap route. Sure its the smart thing to do. But seeing the Vita specs its obvious Sony has no plans to change their business strategy: highest cost and highest end.

PS4 will be $499, for better or for worse.

The PSV is not "The highest cost and Highest end". It's not that expensive - the 3DS is especially cheap. The tech is relatively high end, but it definitely doesn't take a large loss. The PSV doesn't cost an extravagant amount like the PS3 did... it doesn't even compare. In fact, the PS3 is an outlier in Sony's history of games console pricing. Sony can't afford to take PS3 scale losses, and all the rumours indicate a sensibly powered console (off the shelf parts, like the PSV) at a sensible price (latest rumour). 

So, what are you basing this off?

And who are you lolling at? Who is saying they're going the cheap route? 

I know I'm stalking you today... I swear it's just coincidence. 

For a dedicated handheld, it is highest cost and high end......since it is actually the highest priced gaming handheld on the market. 3DS is priced appropriately and yes im gonna say it.....cell phones are becoming the place for on the go gaming. Cell phones can be anywhere from $0- $150 for 3 year contracts.

Do the PS4 rumors say the specs are better then the 720 rumored specs?


The ones that are comparable to the PSV go for much higher than that, even with a contract.

And I doubt those sell anywhere close the the 0-150 phones. Point being......Vita is high end compared to its competition: 3DS and common smartphones. 

Oh I don't know. I think the iPhone is pretty popular.....



sales2099 on 08 November 2012
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
sales2099 said:
I lol at people thinking Sony is going to go the cheap route. Sure its the smart thing to do. But seeing the Vita specs its obvious Sony has no plans to change their business strategy: highest cost and highest end.

PS4 will be $499, for better or for worse.

The PSV is not "The highest cost and Highest end". It's not that expensive - the 3DS is especially cheap. The tech is relatively high end, but it definitely doesn't take a large loss. The PSV doesn't cost an extravagant amount like the PS3 did... it doesn't even compare. In fact, the PS3 is an outlier in Sony's history of games console pricing. Sony can't afford to take PS3 scale losses, and all the rumours indicate a sensibly powered console (off the shelf parts, like the PSV) at a sensible price (latest rumour). 

So, what are you basing this off?

And who are you lolling at? Who is saying they're going the cheap route? 

I know I'm stalking you today... I swear it's just coincidence. 

For a dedicated handheld, it is highest cost and high end......since it is actually the highest priced gaming handheld on the market. 3DS is priced appropriately and yes im gonna say it.....cell phones are becoming the place for on the go gaming. Cell phones can be anywhere from $0- $150 for 3 year contracts.

Do the PS4 rumors say the specs are better then the 720 rumored specs?


The ones that are comparable to the PSV go for much higher than that, even with a contract.

And I doubt those sell anywhere close the the 0-150 phones. Point being......Vita is high end compared to its competition: 3DS and common smartphones. 

Oh I don't know. I think the iPhone is pretty popular.....

Iphones are in the $150 range. But recent data suggests they only have a 16% marketshare anyway.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

VGKing on 08 November 2012
sales2099 said:
ganoncrotch said:
sales2099 said:
ganoncrotch said:
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
I lol at people thinking Sony is going to go the cheap route. Sure its the smart thing to do. But seeing the Vita specs its obvious Sony has no plans to change their business strategy: highest cost and highest end.

PS4 will be $499, for better or for worse.

What are you talking about? PSV isn't cheap, but it isn't expensive either. It launched at the same price as the 3DS and the PSP.

So what did Sony do with Vita? They launched it at an affordable price and competitively with the portable market leader, the 3DS. Nintendo knew they couldn't compete so they did that panic $80 price cut. Now Sony can't compete.

With PS4 there is no way Sony will price it at $499(even the premium model). Sony will price the PS4 at a competitive price. They wilil manufacture a $500 system and sell it at $400. The technology in the console is "off-the shelf" so the console itself would be profitable within 2 years. 

PSV is the most expensive dedicated gaming handheld on the market.

If it was "affordable" it would sell. So not buying that reasoning. Nintendo told us that $250 is a no-buy zone with consumers for handhelds. Nintendo charged that because they were greedy, Sony fully planned Vita to be $250.

Off the shelf or not, Sony is aiming the PS4 to be more expensive then Xbox and WiiU. That much I can guarantee. This time, Sony is still gonna loose money, but on a lesser scale then PS3. They basically only half-learned their lesson, which is to stick to the PS2 business model.


The Ps2 Business model was that nintendos console at the time was aimed at kids and had a handle and that microsoft had no real clue of how to get started into the gaming business, neither of these things are possible anymore.

PS2 business model = Sell weak/moderate powerful hardware at a low, mass market price.

Even the Gamecube had more power then PS2. But this gen, WiiU will have the title as cheapest and most competetively priced.

when the playstation 2 launched it was by no means weak hardware, sure the gamecube and the xbox were more powerful than it, but they came out almost 2 years after the playstation 2 launched, when it did the only other system on the market was the dreamcast and it absolutely blew that out of the water in terms of power and packing what became a load of households first Dvd player.

I dont count the Dreamcast. Personally you gotta finish a gen to be compared at all. On that note, let me amend my definition.

PS2 business model = Sell weak/moderate powerful hardware at a low, mass market price. Launch first for head start on competition and 3rd parties.

Nintendo is the new Sony.

Nope. Sony's strategies are completely different from Nintendo.

The PS2 might have been the weakest console last gen, but it was the first to release. It was easily able to compete with the more powerful Xbox/Gamecube. This is what Sony should do with the PS4 IMO. Release a high-end console at an affordable price, hopefully before the Xbox 720.



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VGKing on 08 November 2012
sales2099 said:

Relative to the 3DS is it expensive, but the 3DS is a very cheap piece of technology. Now, I'm guessing you're thinking at this point that it should always be discussed/assessed etc. in relation to the 3DS because that's it's only direct competitor. And you would sort of be right when strictly comparing the two, but you weren't strictly comparing the two, you were saying the costs associated with the PSV are indicative of the PS4 being expensive.

Translating that Vita hardware strategy into PS4's strategy gets you a powerful home console, though not extravagently so, that uses cheap components (compared to something like the PS3), and it takes a loss, but not a big one... similar to the PS2 or Xbox 360. And remember, the Wii U, like the 3DS will likely be cheap in comparison, but the next Xbox won't.

So when you say the PSV is evidence of Sony's strategy still being "highest cost and highest end" , you're wrong in the context of handhelds, and extra wrong in the context of PS4 and it's competitors. 

Do the PS4 rumors say the specs are better then the 720 rumored specs? No.


Wonder how all the graphics happy PS3 fans are gonna spin this one (im looking at the guys who drool at Uncharted 3 desert landscapes)

More than just graphics. It's also AI, physics, load times....etc..etc.

To awnswer that guys question, I really don't know. We don't have any recent semi-credible rumors for Xbox 720's specs.
The latest PS4 rumors are vague as well.



sales2099 on 08 November 2012
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
ganoncrotch said:
sales2099 said:
ganoncrotch said:
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:

PS2 business model = Sell weak/moderate powerful hardware at a low, mass market price.

Even the Gamecube had more power then PS2. But this gen, WiiU will have the title as cheapest and most competetively priced.

when the playstation 2 launched it was by no means weak hardware, sure the gamecube and the xbox were more powerful than it, but they came out almost 2 years after the playstation 2 launched, when it did the only other system on the market was the dreamcast and it absolutely blew that out of the water in terms of power and packing what became a load of households first Dvd player.

I dont count the Dreamcast. Personally you gotta finish a gen to be compared at all. On that note, let me amend my definition.

PS2 business model = Sell weak/moderate powerful hardware at a low, mass market price. Launch first for head start on competition and 3rd parties.

Nintendo is the new Sony.

Nope. Sony's strategies are completely different from Nintendo.

The PS2 might have been the weakest console last gen, but it was the first to release. It was easily able to compete with the more powerful Xbox/Gamecube. This is what Sony should do with the PS4 IMO. Release a high-end console at an affordable price, hopefully before the Xbox 720.

Sonys strategies are NOW different from Nintendo. And thats the problem.

Underline = What WiiU is doing now.

Being "affordable high end" isnt the PS2/WiiU model and therefore isn't gonna end well. Rumors say that MS will get yet another head start on PS4 as well, so thats not helping either.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

VGKing on 08 November 2012
sales2099 said:

What are you talking about? PSV isn't cheap, but it isn't expensive either. It launched at the same price as the 3DS and the PSP.

So what did Sony do with Vita? They launched it at an affordable price and competitively with the portable market leader, the 3DS. Nintendo knew they couldn't compete so they did that panic $80 price cut. Now Sony can't compete.

With PS4 there is no way Sony will price it at $499(even the premium model). Sony will price the PS4 at a competitive price. They wilil manufacture a $500 system and sell it at $400. The technology in the console is "off-the shelf" so the console itself would be profitable within 2 years. 

PSV is the most expensive dedicated gaming handheld on the market.

If it was "affordable" it would sell. So not buying that reasoning. Nintendo told us that $250 is a no-buy zone with consumers for handhelds. Nintendo charged that because they were greedy, Sony fully planned Vita to be $250.

Off the shelf or not, Sony is aiming the PS4 to be more expensive then Xbox and WiiU. That much I can guarantee. This time, Sony is still gonna loose money, but on a lesser scale then PS3. They basically only half-learned their lesson, which is to stick to the PS2 business model.

Than Wii U? Most definitely. Than Xbox 720? Just pure guesswork at the moment.
I belive Microsoft will want to bundle a Kinect 2.0 with every single Xbox 720. That won' t come cheap to the consumer unless they release a console to compete with the Wii U and not PS4.



VGKing on 08 November 2012
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
sales2099 said:
I lol at people thinking Sony is going to go the cheap route. Sure its the smart thing to do. But seeing the Vita specs its obvious Sony has no plans to change their business strategy: highest cost and highest end.

PS4 will be $499, for better or for worse.

The PSV is not "The highest cost and Highest end". It's not that expensive - the 3DS is especially cheap. The tech is relatively high end, but it definitely doesn't take a large loss. The PSV doesn't cost an extravagant amount like the PS3 did... it doesn't even compare. In fact, the PS3 is an outlier in Sony's history of games console pricing. Sony can't afford to take PS3 scale losses, and all the rumours indicate a sensibly powered console (off the shelf parts, like the PSV) at a sensible price (latest rumour). 

So, what are you basing this off?

And who are you lolling at? Who is saying they're going the cheap route? 

I know I'm stalking you today... I swear it's just coincidence. 

For a dedicated handheld, it is highest cost and high end......since it is actually the highest priced gaming handheld on the market. 3DS is priced appropriately and yes im gonna say it.....cell phones are becoming the place for on the go gaming. Cell phones can be anywhere from $0- $150 for 3 year contracts.

Do the PS4 rumors say the specs are better then the 720 rumored specs?


The ones that are comparable to the PSV go for much higher than that, even with a contract.

And I doubt those sell anywhere close the the 0-150 phones. Point being......Vita is high end compared to its competition: 3DS and common smartphones. 

Oh I don't know. I think the iPhone is pretty popular.....

Iphones are in the $150 range. But recent data suggests they only have a 16% marketshare anyway.

The cheapest iPHone 5 w/ contract starts at $199. iPhone actually has a pretty huge marketshare.

It's iOS that has a small marketshare compared to Android.



VGKing on 08 November 2012
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
ganoncrotch said:
sales2099 said:
ganoncrotch said:
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:

PS2 business model = Sell weak/moderate powerful hardware at a low, mass market price.

Even the Gamecube had more power then PS2. But this gen, WiiU will have the title as cheapest and most competetively priced.

when the playstation 2 launched it was by no means weak hardware, sure the gamecube and the xbox were more powerful than it, but they came out almost 2 years after the playstation 2 launched, when it did the only other system on the market was the dreamcast and it absolutely blew that out of the water in terms of power and packing what became a load of households first Dvd player.

I dont count the Dreamcast. Personally you gotta finish a gen to be compared at all. On that note, let me amend my definition.

PS2 business model = Sell weak/moderate powerful hardware at a low, mass market price. Launch first for head start on competition and 3rd parties.

Nintendo is the new Sony.

Nope. Sony's strategies are completely different from Nintendo.

The PS2 might have been the weakest console last gen, but it was the first to release. It was easily able to compete with the more powerful Xbox/Gamecube. This is what Sony should do with the PS4 IMO. Release a high-end console at an affordable price, hopefully before the Xbox 720.

Sonys strategies are NOW different from Nintendo. And thats the problem.

Underline = What WiiU is doing now.

Being "affordable high end" isnt the PS2/WiiU model and therefore isn't gonna end well. Rumors say that MS will get yet another head start on PS4 as well, so thats not helping either.


You say Nintendo is doing the PS2 model with the Wii U? I disagree. I say they are doing the Dreamcast model.

Wait now you're saying affordable/high end isn't the PS2 or Wii U model? You're half right. PS2 was high-end at the time of its release. Wii U won't be.

Wii U won't be able to compete with PS4/720. i can guarantee you that.(at least in terms of power) Games created specifically for PS4/720 will be so advanced that they won'tn be possible on the Wii U, at least not without being largely dumbed-down.

I see next-gen being a repeat of this gen. Except this time Sony and Microsoft will have aligned launches and there won't be a $599 console on the market. This tmie people will actually have a choice.